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[jonb]

Having spent nearly six months on this forum, I must admit I am surprised by the amount christians are actually arguing against their own philosophy.
What I have noticed so far

Christians arguing the burden of proof is on atheist to prove there is no god.
This is a problem for christian philosophy because the starting point it implies is, that god is revealed, and atheists have to show what is revealed is not god. With that view there is no faith, and without faith there is no means of trust, as such there are no christians.
One would have thought people trying to convert me would be asking for my trust, but they don't, they demand god is evident, thus denying their faith and philosophy. What better reason could there be not to trust them?

Having noticed this, I am now questioning whether a lot of what purports to be christian has anything to do with that philosophy at all.

Is the actual motivation from people that wish to be in the same sort of culture as their mums and dads, rather than seeking a relationship to an old philosophy? An instance of this would be A Theist's devotion to his gun rather than a need to turn the other cheek.

Given that this also occurred to me, the attacks on the understanding of evolution is not because it is in contravention of their philosophy, but rather it contravenes the understanding their culture had when it was formed?
To explain before Louis Pasteur most people thought life naturally arose out of anything. Leave a pile of old socks in a corner and you got mice. No christian had a problem with that idea up to the 1850s, which is about the time the fundamentalist christians were forming in the mid west USA.
Now from the descendants of those fundamentalists we hear only god has the power to give life. So is it cristianity they are calling for, or merely the culture of their forefathers, and its understanding of science.
Is it christanity we are even arguing with or just some fools that want it to be forever 1850.

[Minimalist]

Having noticed this, I am now questioning whether a lot of what purports to be christian has anything to do with that philosophy at all.

The chasm between what xtians do and what their alleged godboy is supposed to have said they should do is vast.

I attribute it merely to them being totally full of shit but then, I am known to have a bad attitude.

[Cato]

I love the OP fruit for thought, not damnation! I was typing a lengthy reply that came across as simple commiseration as I read it, so I'll leave you with this:

Adults need religion as three year olds need a night light.

[Lion IRC]

Having spent nearly six months on this forum, I must admit I am surprised by the amount christians are actually arguing against their own philosophy.
What I have noticed so far

Christians arguing the burden of proof is on atheist to prove there is no god.

I think the burden of proof is on whoever wants to persuade.
If non-stamp collectors atheists are happy to sit at home and leave the public square to whoever else turns up, that suits us fine!

...I am now questioning whether a lot of what purports to be christian has anything to do with that philosophy at all.

Grab a dictionary. Look up the word philosophy. And make up your own mind whether what you are hearing constitutes flossofee.

...Is the actual motivation from people that wish to be in the same sort of culture as their mums and dads, rather than seeking a relationship to an old philosophy? An instance of this would be A Theist's devotion to his gun rather than a need to turn the other cheek.

Wait! There was a question mark at the end of the sentence which preceded your dubious ''example''.
Have you made up your mind?
Resolve and answer your own question first because it's a non-sequitur whether someone sees the need to own a gun or WANTS to share or dump their parents religious culture.
Adult atheists can have theist cultural upbringing and vice versa. Gun opponents can have parents like A Theist. So WHAT? Kids can and do grow up and decide for themselves.
You got a flat tire for an argument so far.

...Given that this also occurred to me, the attacks on the understanding of evolution is not because it is in contravention of their philosophy...

Thats not true.

Evolution, as I understand it, doesnt contravene my theistic worldview. On the contrary. It affirms it!

Evolution, as an atheist understands/describes it, affirms their worldview.

Evolution, as a YEC creationist understands it equally affirms their theistic worldview. How? Because evolution means different things to different people depending on what you think evolutionTM actually consists of.
And the view of evolution held by YEC creationists makes Darwinism look so ridiculous that God does seem to be a much better alternative.

BTW - The biblical exegesis concerning the age of the earth is not held to be a matter of salvation by most prominent YEC folk.

[Drich]

Having spent nearly six months on this forum, I must admit I am surprised by the amount christians are actually arguing against their own philosophy.
What I have noticed so far

Christians arguing the burden of proof is on atheist to prove there is no god.
This is a problem for christian philosophy because the starting point it implies is, that god is revealed, and atheists have to show what is revealed is not god. With that view there is no faith, and without faith there is no means of trust, as such there are no christians.
One would have thought people trying to convert me would be asking for my trust, but they don't, they demand god is evident, thus denying their faith and philosophy. What better reason could there be not to trust them?

Having noticed this, I am now questioning whether a lot of what purports to be christian has anything to do with that philosophy at all.

Is the actual motivation from people that wish to be in the same sort of culture as their mums and dads, rather than seeking a relationship to an old philosophy? An instance of this would be A Theist's devotion to his gun rather than a need to turn the other cheek.

Given that this also occurred to me, the attacks on the understanding of evolution is not because it is in contravention of their philosophy, but rather it contravenes the understanding their culture had when it was formed?
To explain before Louis Pasteur most people thought life naturally arose out of anything. Leave a pile of old socks in a corner and you got mice. No christian had a problem with that idea up to the 1850s, which is about the time the fundamentalist christians were forming in the mid west USA.
Now from the descendants of those fundamentalists we hear only god has the power to give life. So is it cristianity they are calling for, or merely the culture of their forefathers, and its understanding of science.
Is it christanity we are even arguing with or just some fools that want it to be forever 1850.

Wow, and "Christians" are the ones who supposedly had the closed minds.

I guess you can support all of the assertions you made about Christians on this website, and aren't just pulling things out of your "arse or tits," just to argue a stereotype. For instance you do have in mind a comment or thread that, "all Christians on this web site made in the Last 6 months agree with." that DIRECTLY caused you to spawn this thread?
-or-
Is this just a closed minded nonspecific observation of Christianity in general, that hits on 3 key stereotypical points that most all atheists would agree to?

If you 'obersvation' does not speak to the actual christians on this website then can it be said that you are just projecting your own personal closed-mindedness onto others via a personal bigotry for those who do not share your own personal philosphy?

[jonb]

Dear lion IRC look it up on wiki
Philosophy is the study of general and fundamental problems, such as those connected with reality, existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language.
If you are saying that Christianity is not a philosophy, it is you who have left the square not I.

[Cato]

If you 'obersvation' does not speak to the actual christians on this website then can it be said that you are just projecting your own personal closed-mindedness onto others via a personal bigotry for those who do not share your own personal philosphy?

You cannot prove your god. Furthermore, you cannot reasonbly take the next step and ascribe to your god the bullshit in the Bible.

Who's projecting?

[jonb]

Wow, and "Christians" are the ones who supposedly had the closed minds.

I guess you can support all of the assertions you made about Christians on this website, and aren't just pulling things out of your "arse or tits," just to argue a stereotype. For instance you do have in mind a comment or thread that, "all Christians on this web site made in the Last 6 months agree with." that DIRECTLY caused you to spawn this thread?
-or-
Is this just a closed minded nonspecific observation of Christianity in general, that hits on 3 key stereotypical points that most all atheists would agree to?

If you 'obersvation' does not speak to the actual christians on this website then can it be said that you are just projecting your own personal closed-mindedness onto others via a personal bigotry for those who do not share your own personal philosophy?

Firstly my comments are about a section of people who purport to be christian or have traditional values and philosophical views muddled. I did not restrict myself to just those on this site, or all of those on this site. Nor was I talking to them, I am talking about them.

In that, in my post I put questions it it obvious I wish to get some replies, how would you define that as having a closed mind?

I am surprised that you seem to be so upset by my post, surely a bit of self examination as to what are christian values, and what are just things picked up along the way would be at the core of your thinking?

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The chasm between what xtians do and what their alleged godboy is supposed to have said they should do is vast.

I attribute it merely to them being totally full of shit but then, I am known to have a bad attitude.

So far your attitude seems to be not so much bad just right.

[KichigaiNeko]

I am surprised that you seem to be so upset by my post, surely a bit of self examination as to what are christian values, and what are just things picked up along the way would be at the core of your thinking?

THE.ONE.THING xtians won't do.... self examination.

Great post/thread jonb, food for thought.