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What did it?
#21
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#22
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(February 16, 2013 at 7:09 pm)chasingthetruth Wrote: Okay, you're right. I'm sorry. What led you to atheism?
To me, at eight years old, the first thing that was obvious was that "God" seemed too similar to things like Santa Claus or the Boogeyman. It seemed too convenient that these were unverifiable claims, and it seemed like these myths served a purpose - to convince people to behave in a certain way. It seemed clear that these were human inventions, not real things.
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(February 16, 2013 at 6:42 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: We're all born atheists. We're exposed to religion through culture. Some of us remain atheists in spite of this exposure, while others conform to their culture for a time.

Hello Futile,

It's interesting that many atheists hold this position that atheism is the defaut position of the non-thinking. Wouldn't you rather hold that your position is a well thought out, well reasoned position an infant is incapable of forming? Otherwise you could post a sign, atheists wanted no intelligence required.
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(February 16, 2013 at 7:41 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Wouldn't you rather hold that your position is a well thought out, well reasoned position an infant is incapable of forming?

The reasoning behind our position is one an infant could not form. The position itself - atheism - is the default and fucking babies do not sit there pondering about it, they simply do not believe until they are capable of understanding religious issues or outright indoctrinated.
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(February 16, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Psykhronic Wrote:
(February 16, 2013 at 7:41 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Wouldn't you rather hold that your position is a well thought out, well reasoned position an infant is incapable of forming?

The reasoning behind our position is one an infant could not form. The position itself - atheism - is the default and fucking babies do not sit there pondering about it, they simply do not believe until they are capable of understanding religious issues or outright indoctrinated.

That's why its absurd to say its a default position. If that's the case then rocks are atheists since no thinking is required. It you as an atheist who should be insulted by saying its a default non-thinking proposition.
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(February 16, 2013 at 7:41 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: It's interesting that many atheists hold this position that atheism is the defaut position of the non-thinking. Wouldn't you rather hold that your position is a well thought out, well reasoned position an infant is incapable of forming? Otherwise you could post a sign, atheists wanted no intelligence required.

People are also born without beliefs in; bigfoot, UFO abductions, Ginn, Leprechauns, Loch Ness monster, and an endless number of supernatural claims. I bet you also disbelieve in all or most of them, too.

Why are you holding the position of the nonthinking? Is it your contention that the default position in all these other supernatural claims should not also be one of disbelief?

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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(February 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote:
(February 16, 2013 at 7:49 pm)Psykhronic Wrote: The reasoning behind our position is one an infant could not form. The position itself - atheism - is the default and fucking babies do not sit there pondering about it, they simply do not believe until they are capable of understanding religious issues or outright indoctrinated.

That's why its absurd to say its a default position. If that's the case then rocks are atheists since no thinking is required. It you as an atheist who should be insulted by saying its a default non-thinking proposition.
Babies are processing information like motherfuckers. Let's see your precious rocks do that.
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(February 16, 2013 at 8:00 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: That's why its absurd to say its a default position. If that's the case then rocks are atheists since no thinking is required. It you as an atheist who should be insulted by saying its a default non-thinking proposition.

Saying disbelief is the default position is not the same thing as saying it is the same thing as holding the same position as babies hold.

The default position on ANY extraordinary claim is disbelief until the claim is supported by demonstrable evidence, reasoned argument and valid logic.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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(February 16, 2013 at 6:36 pm)chasingthetruth Wrote: What caused you to avert from your natural disposition and turn to atheism?


I like to think it was natural intelligence.

Really, it started because of the pompous attitude of religious fuckwits.

Then one thing led to another.
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