Should pedophilia be legal?

[Something completely different]

Indeed. You are not capable of reason.

All you post are "one liners", combined with a stupid "meme phrase".

No arguments, No sources to back your non existant arguments up, Nothing.

Simply a pittyfull piece of garbage lingering arround the forum with the single only intention of annoying random people.

[Shell B]

To be fair, he was correct.

[Tea Earl Grey Hot]

Indeed. You are not capable of reason.

All you post are "one liners", combined with a stupid "meme phrase".

No arguments, No sources to back your non existant arguments up, Nothing.

Simply a pittyfull piece of garbage lingering arround the forum with the single only intention of annoying random people.

YOLO

edit: Aww fuck, wrong account.

[Gilgamesh]

haters make me famous yolo!!

[Cinjin]

It seems to be popular on internet forums to take the position of, "We should consider pedophilia even though I'm against it" and then defend this position by showing everyone what an "open-minded intellectual" you are. I think it's sanctimonious bull shit and absolutely hypocritical. It's just like those who oppose the death penalty ... right up until their 4 year old is kidnapped and decapitated. Yeah, it's completely fine to consider pedophilia until it's your 13 year old girl having sex with a 28 year old.

It seems to be popular on internet forums to take the position of, "We should consider interracial dating even though I'm against it" and then defend this position by showing everyone what an "open-minded intellectual" you are. I think it's sanctimonious bull shit and absolutely hypocritical. It's just like those who oppose the death penalty ... right up until their 4 year old is kidnapped and decapitated. Yeah, it's completely fine to consider such until it's your girl having sex with a gun toting, coke distributing gang banger.

Notice how the two are pretty much similar reflections of the same tactic?

No, I notice no such thing. You created a false comparison. Pedophilia is a 28 year old having sex with a 13 year old. That is not an exaggeration or even an extreme rarity in the crime of pedophilia. Interracial dating on the other hand, more often than not has nothing to do with a gun toting, coke distributing gang banger. I see the point you were trying to make but the way you went about it is a touch dishonest.

Take a scenario, finger anyone who "might" oppose your viewpoint and then strawman them with an extreme example.

Did it occur to you that a fair number of Age-of-Consent cases involve something akin to an 18 year old boy and a 15-16 year old girl?

A difference of 2-3 years is enough to label a young man who just happened to slide into "adult" age group, whereas had he been one year younger, the laws would be more lenient.

You honestly think that I'm going to consider the legalization of pedophilia simply because a handful of teenage Age of Consent cases can be googled? Talk about using the opposite end of the extreme to justify a point. We should just allow predators to do what they want because we can't seem to use good common sense when it comes to a couple of kids in the back seat of a car?
I'm talking about pedophilia: an adult having sex with a child. I am NOT talking about a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old, and if that's what this thread is about than the fucking Title of the thread should be changed to something like: Do you think teenagers should be allowed to have sex with teenagers.

The problem with this entire problem is extremists.

If being an extremist means that I think a 14 year old girl cannot legally be coerced by a 25 year old man to have sex - than sign me up!
I addressed the OP, not some bull shit about whether or not teenagers should be allowed to have sex with eachother.

The bulk of posters driving this topic have not argued that one cannot judge. So why do you need to argue this?

If there are those who hold me in disdain for broadcasting loudly against full grown adults having sex with children. Than so be it. I only mentioned it because there are those who are too timid to admit that they too find the question appalling.

[Gilgamesh]

Sex between a full grown adult and a child (a person who hasn't started puberty) is bad for the child, in any scenario, methinks.

If we're discussing the age of consent law; I think it's horrible to go by a fixed age. I think it should always go by puberty. If you are capable of sexual desires and you consent, "go ahead", I say.

[Autumnlicious]

No, I notice no such thing. You created a false comparison. Pedophilia is a 28 year old having sex with a 13 year old. That is not an exaggeration or even an extreme rarity in the crime of pedophilia. Interracial dating on the other hand, more often than not has nothing to do with a gun toting, coke distributing gang banger. I see the point you were trying to make but the way you went about it is a touch dishonest.

It is not a false comparison. The topics are intentionally not related.

The tactic used are related.

You and the Example both used an extreme to pull an appeal to emotion.

However, given that the universe isn't black and white (how disappointing), we must consider that there is always a gradiation.

And that many laws meant to catch your extreme often are used harm young adults and teenagers.

In other words, there is a little problem with injustice and the ideological demands of John Q. Public.

Being pedantic, I can't help but notice you're using identical tactics to the ones used to pass increasingly draconian laws to assuage the fear that pedophiles are everywhere.

(It is humorous to note that tightening rules past a certain point does little in apprehending criminals. Perhaps investing resources in mental health and moving police focus closer to investigating domestic and sexual abuse?)

You honestly think that I'm going to consider the legalization of pedophilia simply because a handful of Age of Consent cases can be googled?

Does making any changes to existing law, even if it lessens harm to young adults and teenagers who are only two years older than their partner, count as "legalizing pedophilic relationship"?

No.

Don't be fucking ridiculous.

Talk about using the opposite end of the extreme to justify a point.

And talk about projecting imaginary beliefs onto other people instead of judging them solely on what they write.

I'm talking about pedophilia: an adult having sex with a child. I am NOT talking about a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old, and if that's what this thread is about than the fucking Title of the thread should be changed to something like: Do you think teenagers should be allowed to have sex with teenagers.

The problems come in the definition of what is a child.

A 15 year old is considered a child.

"Child", as a term, encompasses 1-19 years of age.

Definitions.

If being an extremist means that I think a 14 year old girl cannot legally be coerced by a 25 year old man to have sex - than sign me up!
I addressed the OP, not some bull shit about whether or not teenagers should be allowed to have sex with eachother.

Never made any statement about such. Again, project much?

The bulk of posters driving this topic have not argued that one cannot judge. So why do you need to argue this?

If there are those who hold me in disdain for broadcasting loudly against full grown adults having sex with children. Than so be it. I only mentioned it because there are those who are too timid to admit that they too find the question appalling.

Because you are So Brave in trumpeting the obvious, you see anyone who objects to you being a loud jackass as held in disdain?

I simply found that lousy arguments that depended on appeals to emotion to be doing a disservice to their respective sides.

But then again, it is easier to be a sea gull and shit on someone's hood than pound your opponent with facts.

[Cinjin]

No, I notice no such thing. You created a false comparison. Pedophilia is a 28 year old having sex with a 13 year old. That is not an exaggeration or even an extreme rarity in the crime of pedophilia. Interracial dating on the other hand, more often than not has nothing to do with a gun toting, coke distributing gang banger. I see the point you were trying to make but the way you went about it is a touch dishonest.

It is not a false comparison. The topics are intentionally not related.
The tactic used are related.

Nope. You tried to make a comparison between these two statements. Sorry, I don't think you can sell anyone on that.
Pedophilia = 13 year old girl having sex with a 28 year old
Interracial Dating ≠ sex with a Gun toting Gang banger.

Deny it all you want. In order for your comparison to work, my definition of pedophilia would have to be an extreme rarity inside of that topic.

You and the Example both used an extreme to pull an appeal to emotion.
However, given that the universe isn't black and white (how disappointing), we must consider that there is always a gradiation.
And that many laws meant to catch your extreme often are used harm young adults and teenagers.
In other words, there is a little problem with injustice and the ideological demands of John Q. Public.
Being pedantic, I can't help but notice you're using identical tactics to the ones used to pass increasingly draconian laws to assuage the fear that pedophiles are everywhere.

(It is humorous to note that tightening rules past a certain point does little in apprehending criminals. Perhaps investing resources in mental health and moving police focus closer to investigating domestic and sexual abuse?)

I don't approve of teens getting busted for sex with teens, but that doesn't mean that I'm willing to entertain the idea of legalizing pedophilia.
Also regarding appeal to emotion ... I'll get to that.

You honestly think that I'm going to consider the legalization of pedophilia simply because a handful of Age of Consent cases can be googled?

Does making any changes to existing law, even if it lessens harm to young adults and teenagers who are only two years older than their partner, count as "legalizing pedophilic relationship"?

No.
Don't be fucking ridiculous.

Uhhh, hey just so you know, the OP, which is what I'M talking about, asks if pedophilia should be legal?
So I don't know exactly what you're arguing here, but I know for sure that I'm talking ONLY about adults having sex with pre-teens. Lets clarify even more for you: Not minors, children. Sex with CHILDREN.

Talk about using the opposite end of the extreme to justify a point.

And talk about projecting imaginary beliefs onto other people instead of judging them solely on what they write.

I didn't project anything onto you. Were you called out? Did I name you?
Since you're so concerned about my personal projections - do clarify where you stand. Do you support pedophilia? Because if you do than my post is validated and you don't have a leg to stand on regarding my "projections."

I'm talking about pedophilia: an adult having sex with a child. I am NOT talking about a 17 year old having sex with a 15 year old, and if that's what this thread is about than the fucking Title of the thread should be changed to something like: Do you think teenagers should be allowed to have sex with teenagers.

The problems come in the definition of what is a child.

A 15 year old is considered a child.

"Child", as a term, encompasses 1-19 years of age.

Definitions.

You sound like a fucking apologist trying to convince me that god sent Elisha the two bears to kill 42 little children who weren't really children. "Definitions."
For the last damn time - I'm talking about children. I don't know anyone who considers a 17 year old a child, but if you do and thats what you're referencing to debate me than this is pointless.

If being an extremist means that I think a 14 year old girl cannot legally be coerced by a 25 year old man to have sex - than sign me up!
I addressed the OP, not some bull shit about whether or not teenagers should be allowed to have sex with eachother.

Never made any statement about such. Again, project much?

You implied that I was an extremist: "The problem with this entire problem is extremists."

If there are those who hold me in disdain for broadcasting loudly against full grown adults having sex with children. Than so be it. I only mentioned it because there are those who are too timid to admit that they too find the question appalling.

Because you are So Brave in trumpeting the obvious, you see anyone who objects to you being a loud jackass as held in disdain?

I simply found that lousy arguments that depended on appeals to emotion to be doing a disservice to their respective sides.

But then again, it is easier to be a sea gull and shit on someone's hood than pound your opponent with facts.

You've got your own appeal to emotion now -- not to mention a name call jab and a pot & kettle reference all rolled into one.
One, it's not trumpeting the obvious if there are many in opposition to it, and two, disparaging me and my arguments does not make them any less legitimate, even if you suggest that they are compared to bird shit.

[John V]

You obviously mean to slander gay relationships by suggesting that pedophilia will follow the tactics of the 'gay movement' in winning acceptance.

First, that's not an obvious conclusion at all. By analogy, if someone were to show that nazi Germany based its propaganda on church practices, I wouldn't take that as slanderous to the church. Marketing practices can be used for good or ill. Your conclusion is baseless.

Second, I made a follow-up post explicitly clarifying that I was not equating the two. If you refuse to believe it, that's your bias showing.

However, almost no one here agrees with you that there is anything obviously wrong with gay relationships.

But fifty years ago, many people thought just that. Heck, forty years ago the APA classified homosexuality as a mental disorder. Hence my observation that gays were very successful in changing public perception of them. If you actually thought about it, you'd realize that I am complimenting the LGBT movement.

So your attempted slander just makes you look like someone who is soft on pedophilia at the very least and possibly a proponent of sex with kids. (Are you a catholic priest by any chance?)

I'm a father of three daughters, and if someone molests one of them, he better hope the police get to him before I do.

If you wish to slander homosexual relations

No, I don't.

[Whateverist]

Okay, looks like I might have jumped to a couple of unjustified conclusions about you. I apologize for assuming the worst. I thought I smelled some gay hating but I am happy to discover I was wrong. Believe it or not I don't actually dislike theists or always assume they are flawed or stupid or even bigoted. Your intelligent and forbearing reply reinforces my good will toward theists.