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Proving God Existence
RE: Proving God Existence
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 4:04 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: ِAdam the first human was Muslim, Islam did not invent Islam he only continued the revelation that was brought by other prophets (Noah, Moses, Jesus, etc.)

Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.

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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 4:04 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: ِAdam the first human was Muslim, Islam did not invent Islam he only continued the revelation that was brought by other prophets (Noah, Moses, Jesus, etc.)

Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.
Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.

(May 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Sansbury Wrote: So you accept that all you think you have proved is that the initiation of the universe was triggered by something unique, beyond our understanding and seperate to the universe.
Yes

Quote:I think religion is better off relying on the concept of faith than attempting to prove gods existence.
Islam doesn't depend on blind faith
Faith in Islam means to follow what is already proved.

(May 5, 2013 at 8:31 am)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know that god can't turn himself into a creature while at the same time as being outside of the universe because I don't have a definition of what god is, there is no one definition of what god is.

If we use the scientific or logical terms we are aware of now then yes we can say god cannot be in two places at the same time, but then when you use this line of logic why not question also how god can be outside of the laws of the universe and effect the laws within the universe, the floods the impregnating of virgins and so on.
And there simply is no logical definition of god.
And also why can god not be a creature and remain eternal at the same time and basically be there and here at the same time?
If god can create a soul and blow that into a human to make a human why not make a man with no soul and blow a piece of the holy spirit into the human body? I can just basically make up any old jibber jabber and say its true because there is no logical definition to god, what god is, how many gods there has to be or what he can do.
You are again mixing science with Logic
Let's say that this proof is for only who accept that disjoint is impossible

in other words for people who accept that their definition of language terms is valid i.e. sane people

Because this can only be violated during hallucination!

Any proof is only applicable if there is an agreed premises to start with.
I though about that many times, the only thing that most people can agree on is this concept (the disjoint)
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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.

Demonstrating once more that your username is oxymoronic? Though, I do admit, the things you say do strongly suggest that some humans really haven't evolved out of their proto-simian stage.

But, no, entertain the class with another amazingly stupid logical argument which, I am certain, will invalidate a century and a half of scientific discovery. I wonder how far you will get into this one before you just start making shit up and calling it 'truth'. I could even start a pool. Any takers?
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So, you can prove Evolution is a lie and fake!
Please post your work on this subject in a Scientific Journal.

That Islam is already proven! ROFLOL

Islam requires nothing but pure faith, and it has not been proven. The Quran has many inconsistencies.

Just because you have faith and belief in the religion does not make it true.
Also, since god is too complex, you cant prove it you mere mortal.
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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.
Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.

You'd be comical if you and your views weren't so dangerous.
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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.
Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.

Please try. I mean it: you're all full of bluster here, but I note that despite how easy it is, you didn't bother to actually do it. So try: give us your best shot.

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I predict a "no-one has seen a duck turn into a cat" argument coming.



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Re: RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.
Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.
Really? I am aware that Islam accepts that evolution happens, why do you disagree not only with scientific facts but with your own religion?

Go ahead and refute evolution. Not just to us, take it higher up and get the Nobel Prize you're clearly fucking owed.

I think it much more likely that you don't actually know what evolution is, and instead of taking 10 minutes to look it up and learn the absolute basics of what it is, you're going to pretend it doesn't happen.
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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:34 am)Ryantology Wrote: But, no, entertain the class with another amazingly stupid logical argument which, I am certain, will invalidate a century and a half of scientific discovery. I wonder how far you will get into this one before you just start making shit up and calling it 'truth'. I could even start a pool. Any takers?

I figured that was the whole premise of the OP.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

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RE: Proving God Existence
(May 6, 2013 at 2:09 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:
(May 5, 2013 at 10:10 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Since it is beyond doubt that Adam is definitely a mythical character, as we know that humans evolved from lower primates over millions of years, then it follows that Islam is obviously a lie.
Evolution is the biggest lie human made
I can refute evolution easily.

(May 5, 2013 at 2:25 pm)Sansbury Wrote: So you accept that all you think you have proved is that the initiation of the universe was triggered by something unique, beyond our understanding and seperate to the universe.
Yes

Quote:I think religion is better off relying on the concept of faith than attempting to prove gods existence.
Islam doesn't depend on blind faith
Faith in Islam means to follow what is already proved.

(May 5, 2013 at 8:31 am)paulpablo Wrote: I don't know that god can't turn himself into a creature while at the same time as being outside of the universe because I don't have a definition of what god is, there is no one definition of what god is.

If we use the scientific or logical terms we are aware of now then yes we can say god cannot be in two places at the same time, but then when you use this line of logic why not question also how god can be outside of the laws of the universe and effect the laws within the universe, the floods the impregnating of virgins and so on.
And there simply is no logical definition of god.
And also why can god not be a creature and remain eternal at the same time and basically be there and here at the same time?
If god can create a soul and blow that into a human to make a human why not make a man with no soul and blow a piece of the holy spirit into the human body? I can just basically make up any old jibber jabber and say its true because there is no logical definition to god, what god is, how many gods there has to be or what he can do.
You are again mixing science with Logic
Let's say that this proof is for only who accept that disjoint is impossible

in other words for people who accept that their definition of language terms is valid i.e. sane people

Because this can only be violated during hallucination!

Any proof is only applicable if there is an agreed premises to start with.
I though about that many times, the only thing that most people can agree on is this concept (the disjoint)

What is disjoint? What is the premises that I would have to agree with in order for you to prove to me gods existence?


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