In the beginning...

[The Reality Salesman01]

God created (blank) from...


What material?

...and using what level of approximate power? (limited or omnipotent)

Don't wanna make assumptions, I'll wait for a Christian to fill me in.

[Mister Agenda]

It's an interesting question. Christians frequently assert that nothing can come from nothing, but also frequently assert that God made the universe from nothing at all. They also assert that quantum foam doesn't count as 'nothing', only absolute nothingness counts as nothing for purposes of universe origins. If God existed and was omnipresent, where did he get the 'absolute nothingness' he made the universe from.

Of course in 50 years, they'll be saying the 'nothing' Stenger refers to when speaking of the origin of the universe was the same 'nothing' God used all along, if more evidence comes along to support the 'universe from nothing' hypothesis.

[Drich]

God created (blank) from...


What material?

...and using what level of approximate power? (limited or omnipotent)

Don't wanna make assumptions, I'll wait for a Christian to fill me in.

But you already have. You assume that 'Christians' can tell you something that has not been recorded.

Because the bible was not written out like a Bill of Materials list we can not accuratly answer these types of questions.

[Neo-Scholastic]

...from Himself, within Himself.

[Drich]

It's an interesting question. Christians frequently assert that nothing can come from nothing, but also frequently assert that God made the universe from nothing at all. They also assert that quantum foam doesn't count as 'nothing', only absolute nothingness counts as nothing for purposes of universe origins. If God existed and was omnipresent, where did he get the 'absolute nothingness' he made the universe from.

Of course in 50 years, they'll be saying the 'nothing' Stenger refers to when speaking of the origin of the universe was the same 'nothing' God used all along, if more evidence comes along to support the 'universe from nothing' hypothesis.

If you look at Genesis 1:1 something did not come out of nothing. "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void."

It says God created X and Y It does not say from nothing X and Y were manifested. We know this because the word for Create is the Hebrew ברא bara' it means to shape or form. The Idea is like taking a lump of clay or a rock and to shape it into a vessal.

[Tonus]

Genesis 1:1-2 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

It's tricky to figure this out, but the impression is that he formed dry land and placed it upon a foundation of some kind. Because after saying that 'the earth was without form and void' it tells us that there was something called 'the deep' and that there were 'waters'. Was 'the deep' a 'void' filled with water, from which god brought forth land?

[The Reality Salesman01]

God created (blank) from...


What material?

...and using what level of approximate power? (limited or omnipotent)

Don't wanna make assumptions, I'll wait for a Christian to fill me in.

But you already have. You assume that 'Christians' can tell you something that has not been recorded.

Because the bible was not written out like a Bill of Materials list we can not accuratly answer these types of questions.

If you look at Genesis 1:1 something did not come out of nothing. "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the earth, and the earth was without form and void."

It says God created X and Y It does not say from nothing X and Y were manifested. We know this because the word for Create is the Hebrew ברא bara' it means to shape or form. The Idea is like taking a lump of clay or a rock and to shape it into a vessal.

Glad to see my assumption was true and that even your own admitted ignorance would not stop you from trying to fill the gaps.

[Neo-Scholastic]

As far as I'm concerned John 1:1-5 is the origin story. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."

[The Reality Salesman01]

As far as I'm concerned John 1:1-5 is the origin story. "In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."

So...He made everything from Him? You're sure you wanna head down that road? That's the story you're putting your name on?

[Neo-Scholastic]

So...He made everything from Him? You're sure you wanna head down that road? That's the story you're putting your name on?

Not just mine. Plotinus, Swedenborg, and many others. It's a long tradition and has been recently called Panentheism (not to be confused with Pantheism).