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Belief and knowledge
April 23, 2013 at 6:23 pm
What are your definitions for knowledge?
I hold that belief is like a sliding scale thing - one may have a little to a lot of belief that something is the case - right up to certainty.
I believe that knowledge is knowing something to be true - I also maintain that people have certainty in their knowledge: I.e. they believe it 100%
Quite simple
Should I adopt a superior distinction?
Should I hold that people do not believe what they know?
What are your definitions...
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RE: Belief and knowledge
April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm
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RE: Belief and knowledge
April 23, 2013 at 7:19 pm
(April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: 
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 3, 2013 at 6:48 am
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2013 at 7:05 am by Love.)
(April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:
An exceedingly lame response. Why not make the effort to address the question instead of dismissing the OP? It seems that a lot of people on this forum are far more interested in receiving petty little "kudos" ratings rather than engaging in an intelligent discussion. Dawud, don't make yourself a target for ridicule because some of the members are ruthless.
Dawud, if you are genuinely interested in the abstract analysis of "knowledge", I recommend that you read about topics in the field of epistemology. Reading the opinions of famous epistemologists — Immanuel Kant, Plato, Socrates, Bertrand Russell, St. Thomas Aquinas, to name a few — would be a good starting point. Also, be original and have faith in your own conclusions.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 3, 2013 at 8:00 pm
(May 3, 2013 at 6:48 am)Love Wrote: (April 23, 2013 at 6:35 pm)futilethewinds Wrote:
An exceedingly lame response. Why not make the effort to address the question instead of dismissing the OP? It seems that a lot of people on this forum are far more interested in receiving petty little "kudos" ratings rather than engaging in an intelligent discussion. Dawud, don't make yourself a target for ridicule because some of the members are ruthless.
Dawud, if you are genuinely interested in the abstract analysis of "knowledge", I recommend that you read about topics in the field of epistemology. Reading the opinions of famous epistemologists — Immanuel Kant, Plato, Socrates, Bertrand Russell, St. Thomas Aquinas, to name a few — would be a good starting point. Also, be original and have faith in your own conclusions.
The man believes it is his child, the woman knows. There is no sliding scale. They are two entirely different concepts. That is why they are different words.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 3, 2013 at 8:15 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2013 at 8:18 pm by Darkstar.)
Belief is believing something to be true. There can be varying degrees of belief up to certainty. In order for belief to be knowledge, not only must the belief be true, but the one holding the belief must be able to justify it (if they believed it and it were true, but they had not justification, they would simply have guessed correctly, and one wouldn't say they knew the thing beforehand.) That is why knowledge is sometimes called "justified true belief".
One cannot know something without also believing it.
John Adams Wrote:The Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 6, 2013 at 5:00 pm
(This post was last modified: May 6, 2013 at 5:00 pm by viocjit.)
1.Knowledge : Thing about we are sure and who are true.
Examples :
1.The earth is a sphere.
2.The existence of gravity.
3.Your colour of skin.
4.Guns can kill.
5.Know that all these things are true.
2.Belief : Thing about we believe because we can't be sure to 100%.
Examples :
1.The existence of God.
2.The fact that you're beautiful. ( You can't be sure like this is just a feeling).
3.The existence of heaven , hell , reincarnation etc...
4.A false thing that you think to know. This is not true like this is false therefore you don't know because you believe that this is real.
5.All these things.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm
Of course there is always the Electra paradox. Electra says she knows Cicero, but she does not know Tully. Tully and Cicero are actually the same person by a different name. So does she know Tully?
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 6, 2013 at 10:34 pm
(May 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Of course there is always the Electra paradox. Electra says she knows Cicero, but she does not know Tully. Tully and Cicero are actually the same person by a different name. So does she know Tully? If she knows Tully then she would have known Tully and Cicero are the same person...so i'd go with no.
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RE: Belief and knowledge
May 6, 2013 at 11:09 pm
(May 6, 2013 at 10:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: Of course there is always the Electra paradox. Electra says she knows Cicero, but she does not know Tully. Tully and Cicero are actually the same person by a different name. So does she know Tully?
Knowing a person and knowing the name(s) of a person are different things. Lewis Carroll covered it along with two other possibilities, that which we call the person and that which we call the name of the person.
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