Thoughts on the Woolwich killing

[ideologue08]

The Quran is not the basis of the British criminal justice system.
And never will be.

Nor do I want it to be.

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The Quran is not the basis of the British criminal justice system.
And never will be.

Nor do I want it to be.

Then why do you demand the death penalty on the basis of the Quran?

[ideologue08]

Then why do you demand the death penalty on the basis of the Quran?

I don't demand the death penalty because of the Qur'an. Rather, I want to see the death penalty because I don't believe a murderer should have a second chance. That is my personal opinion. I never invoke religion in any debate on public legislation, it is not correct to do that. Groups like the BNP obviously see it different, they invoke Christianity to support the death penalty.

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I don't demand the death penalty because of the Qur'an. Rather, I want to see the death penalty because I don't believe a murderer should have a second chance. That is my personal opinion. I never invoke religion in any debate on public legislation, it is not correct to do that. Groups like the BNP obviously see it different, they invoke Christianity to support the death penalty.

Life sentence?

[ideologue08]

Life sentence?

Not good enough in my opinion. Why should the taxpayer pay for murderers to play table tennis, eat cooked meals and enjoy television for the rest of their lives? I want them erased from society.

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Not good enough in my opinion. Why should the taxpayer pay for murderers to play table tennis, eat cooked meals and enjoy television for the rest of their lives? I want them erased from society.

Because the cost of the appeal cases brought forward by death row prisoners and of the execution itself are higher than keeping him in for life.


other than that.

The state is the representative of me, so when it kills someone I kill someone, why would I want that?
What is your argument against the possibility of executing innocents?

[ideologue08]

Because the cost of the appeal cases brought forward by death row prisoners and of the execution itself are higher than keeping him in for life.
other than that. The state is the representative of me, so when it kills someone I kill someone, why would I want that?
What is your argument against the possibility of executing innocents?

I don't care about the cost, I think it's morally wrong to pay for the upkeep of a murderer. You might also want the death penalty because you want closure? Don't you want the State to get rid of a human being who ended your own family or friends? Or would you rather see them playing basketball in prison? I don't really see the point of debating this issue because we're as dogmatic as each other, but just to summarize the main reasons I want to see the death penalty:
1) It guarantees that the murderer doesn't kill again.
2) It provides the State a way out of using taxpayer funds to pay for the upkeep of murderers which I believe isn't moral.
3) It helps bring closure to grieving family and friends.
4) It is, in my humble opinion, the only punishment that fits the crime.

[little_monkey]

FYI, since 1973 when the death penalty was reinstated in the US, there have been 129 people from 26 states released from death row with evidence of their innocence. And who knows how many more have been imprisoned on false accusation or sloppy work from the police, still waiting on death row.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed...y-innocent

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I don't care about the cost, I think it's morally wrong to pay for the upkeep of a murderer.

Cant you see how you contradict yourself within one sentence?

You might also want the death penalty because you want closure? Don't you want the State to get rid of a human being who ended your own family or friends? Or would you rather see them playing basketball in prison?

Oh how obvious, an appeal to emotion.

Well. I have nothing to say in a legal matter. And that it the entire point of a criminal justice system. It is not supposed to please the lust for revenge of wronged individuals. A court is supposed to be a fair and unbiased institution and not a place that legitemises revenge.

I don't really see the point of debating this issue because we're as dogmatic as each other,

Where am I being dogmatic???

but just to summarize the main reasons I want to see the death penalty:
1) It guarantees that the murderer doesn't kill again.

So can a prison

2) It provides the State a way out of using taxpayer funds to pay for the upkeep of murderers which I believe isn't moral.

you priviously posted:

I don't care about the cost

Where you also managed to contradict yourself in the same sentence.

Anyway, I previously pointed out than an execution is more expensive than a life sentence.

3) It helps bring closure to grieving family and friends.

A prison sentence can certainly also be a closure.
Other than that, a court is not here to bring closure, it is here to bring fair and just judgements.

4) It is, in my humble opinion, the only punishment that fits the crime.

Fine, your opinion.

[ideologue08]

Cant you see how you contradict yourself within one sentence?

Can't you see that I was referring to the complaints you had about funding the appeals process of murderers etc? I don't care about the cost of the complaints or appeals, but I do care about paying to feed and entertain a murderer for the rest of his life.

Yes, as you correctly stated, these are my opinions and I'm not deviating from them so this debate is basically not beneficial for me in any way or form.