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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am
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(June 4, 2013 at 7:35 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: Now that someone posted something with maggots.
How do you 2 feel about the use of insects by humans for food and for medical reasons? Well, Forbi thinks killing silkworms is "sadistic cruelty"! 
(June 4, 2013 at 7:38 am)littleendian Wrote: Fewer happy animals would be preferable over millions of mutilated ones.  Cool story, bro.
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:47 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am)Aractus Wrote: Well, Forbi thinks killing silkworms is "sadistic cruelty"!
well most textile products of today are made out of plastic or cotton, so silkworms are becoming irrelevant anyway.
My concern is more about the use of maggots in medicin for antiseptics, the use of honey by bees, the use of bees and bumblebees in plantations and green houses for polenation aswell as the general consume of insects which is very widespread in asia and africa.
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:50 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:38 am)littleendian Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 7:27 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: ... Look, I'm sorry this is getting out of hand now and I'm also truly sorry you had such a traumatic experience with a vegan diet, I really am, and it frightens me to the core to think that I could be forced to give this up because of such terrible consequences, so I don't blame you for getting a little personal here. This topic has the tendency to wind people up...
Not really. Ignorance and stupidity get me rather forcefully vocal. No one is trying to "Force you to give up a lifestyle choice" of you own making. What people are trying to do is make you realise that the position of "Sanctimonious Pontification" that is groundless whilst propounding your elitist (1st World) lifestyle choice does nothing to support your choice and you are no more indoctrinated than those you attempt to vilify.
(June 4, 2013 at 7:38 am)littleendian Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 7:30 am)Aractus Wrote: It doesn't require "traumatic acts" to keep them alive because of "overbreeding", it requires the "traumatic acts" as you put them for, THE WELFARE OF THE ANIMAL!! Fewer happy animals would be preferable over millions of mutilated ones.
Ahh well there's the rub. ARE these animals "Happy" to be eaten from the inside out by fly maggots?
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June 4, 2013 at 7:50 am
Not true Germans. Carpet is usually synthetic or wool. In fact it all really depends on what area of textiles you're looking at. Sure in some areas one fibre dominates, and in other areas other fibres dominate.
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:51 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am)Aractus Wrote: Cool story, bro. If I was on the opposite side of this argument I'd be worried to have Christians like yourself on my side, would make me really question my position. Glad you're on the other side, stay there and die as you were born, smart as a piece of plywood and with about as much independent thought 
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:51 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:50 am)Aractus Wrote: Not true Germans. Carpet is usually synthetic or wool. In fact it all really depends on what area of textiles you're looking at. Sure in some areas one fibre dominates, and in other areas other fibres dominate.
Didnt know that. Thanks for the info.
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:52 am
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(June 4, 2013 at 7:47 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am)Aractus Wrote: Well, Forbi thinks killing silkworms is "sadistic cruelty"!
well most textile products of today are made out of plastic or cotton, so silkworms are becoming irrelevant anyway.
My concern is more about the use of maggots in medicin for antiseptics, the use of honey by bees, the use of bees and bumblebees in plantations and green houses for polenation aswell as the general consume of insects which is very widespread in asia and africa.
Have you seen a lessening of Bees in your area of the globe TGAC? We are noticing it here and of course IF the Bees die no vegetation and vegans/ vegetarians die.
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:53 am
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(June 4, 2013 at 7:51 am)The Germans are coming Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 7:50 am)Aractus Wrote: Not true Germans. Carpet is usually synthetic or wool. In fact it all really depends on what area of textiles you're looking at. Sure in some areas one fibre dominates, and in other areas other fibres dominate. Didnt know that. Thanks for the info. Well I can only really speak for Australia I guess, haven't seen the norms in your country! 
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:54 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:51 am)littleendian Wrote: (June 4, 2013 at 7:43 am)Aractus Wrote: Cool story, bro. If I was on the opposite side of this argument I'd be worried to have Christians like yourself on my side, would make me really question my position. Glad you're on the other side, stay there and die as you were born, smart as a piece of plywood and with about as much independent thought
One can accuse you of the same ignorance endie. Like it or not animals, plants, climate and the very geology manipulate you
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RE: Childhood indoctrination
June 4, 2013 at 7:55 am
(June 4, 2013 at 7:50 am)KichigaiNeko Wrote: Ahh well there's the rub. ARE these animals "Happy" to be eaten from the inside out by fly maggots? No, of course not, and I'm not arguing to produce these overbred animals and then leave them alone, just don't produce them in the first place. The question really is: Do you really want to support an industry that produces millions of these overbred animals who are not able to survive unless we mutilate them? The best answer is and remains: No, just don't buy it until they get their act together.
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