Childhood indoctrination

[thesummerqueen]

My container gardening is going well. I keep meaning to post pictures. The basil is slow on the uptake, but we had lingering cold snaps in the spring, and I only get morning light.

[Forbinator]

Hmm...let's suppose hypothetically that animal faeces actually is necessary to grow crops (despite the existence of synthetic fertilisers). How does producing fertiliser mean that the animals deserve to be slaughtered? This link has not been explained in any detail.

[KichigaiNeko]

[Forbinator]

Now that someone posted something with maggots.


How do you 2 feel about the use of insects by humans for food and for medical reasons?

Well, Forbi thinks killing silkworms is "sadistic cruelty"!

No, actually you explained that the silkworms are in a dormant phase of metamorphosis when they are boiled alive, so I yielded the point.

As for insect use in general, it is certainly more desirable to use an ecological r-species than a k-species (as I explained earlier in the thread). I think not much is known about their sentience and ability to experience pain and suffering, but it is reasonable to conclude a lower survival instinct based on their ecological status.

[Aractus]

Perhaps, but you're yet to tell me the alternatives for wool ya know. Or maybe we should start making everything out of silk?

[thesummerqueen]

[Forbinator]

[littleendian]

Why I'm Not a Vegan

Basically this says "We're all part of a cycle of life and death". Okay, nobody questions that, but more often than not that is just a defeatist phrase that people use so they can lean back and just do whatever the fuck comes to mind.

There is a real choice for everyone, which is between going around clubbing everyone in reach and causing the maximum amount of pain and going the opposite direction. On the one end of the spectrum you have Stalin and on the other Buddha. That's a real choice everyone has and you can't deny this with your nebulous, esoteric babble about "it's all a cycle of life and death".

I'm not denying veganism practiced on a large scale flys in the face of todays way of doing agriculture, it'd turn everything upside down and inside out (in many respects a very good thing) and there would be plenty of new issues cropping up. But I claim none of those issues are insurmountable and all of them are much better than the grim gulag reality of today.

[thesummerqueen]

I never said things were insurmountable, but you dismissing what I wrote is as bad as people dismissing what you write. Usually the truth lies in the middle - not at one or the other end of the spectrum.

It's not esoteric babble, you goob, it's LIFE.

[Forbinator]

The same question can be asked "why do you think you deserve to eat plant material?"

You seem to just want to keep playing this game. Are there any squares that anyone's missed?