Fact Checking

[Mystical]

So I started a thread, in a theist forum (I KNOW) as an exercise for myself to become more acquainted with Evolution, and its' proponents. I have to say, I was quite surprised at the results, I'm actually quite happy with them actually. There is some hope for the world, I feel. As for the answers I've been getting in the thread, I was wondering if anyone here knew what these guys are talking about? I'm new to the entire debate, and evolution itself as I wasn't taught a single stitch of anything in school. I'm starting from zero, but I am trying to understand that of which they speak? Can I get a translator up in here please? I"ll pay with funny memes!

The forums are based on some "doctor" named doctor Craig. I've highlighted the parts I'd like some clarification on.. Either I have no idea what he's talking about or I don't get his point.

http://www.reasonablefaith.org/forums/ch...61.30.html

I have the same background and even though christian dont believe in prepositional based science. Although in a sense to believe in an ordered universe with laws does get rid of superstitions. Now we are past that we should seek naturalistic scientific method even if it leaves us with some unanswered questions that might have been reached by ID like the "junk DNA" concept not being junk.
I completely agree on neo darwinism-has problems and I'd be stronger to say, its on its way out. Not one case of this process can be demonstrated to account for a novel system where a rudimentary already working system did not exist before. Thats pretty sad. Even Dawkins claims he knew he was being tricked by the australian filming team asking him for an example so to show them he claims he gave no answer to what should be a simple answer by now. Right. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaKryi360...challenge/
His conclusion after a long paper with arm waving and elephant hurling and no examples is " We need only a little poetic licence to say that the information fed into modern genomes by natural selection is actually information about ancient environments in which ancestors survived. (but dont despair-my comments because...) This idea of information fed from ancestral generations into descendant gene pools is one of the themes of my new book,
You got it folks no examples but just read (perchance to buy) his book and he'll dance all around it for you.

Surely this is not Dawkins answer, so what was it?

[KichigaiNeko]

prepositional based science?

Hmmm, science based on information that every child should have when leaving school? Or that science works irrespective of belief?

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Ummm this looks and sounds like an advertisment for a forthcoming book. I find it very hard to understand what this author is talking about.

I sympathise with your confusion missL

[Minimalist]

William Lane Craig is a "doctor" in the same way that a snake oil salesman is a physician. He's a quack. A useless xtian apologist who has made a ton of money selling assurance to xtians who are scared shitless by the modern world.

Craig received a Bachelor of Arts degree in communications from Wheaton College, Illinois, in 1971 and two summa cum laude master's degrees from Trinity Evangelical Divinity School in Deerfield, Illinois, in 1975, in philosophy of religion and ecclesiastical history and in the History of Christian Thought.[1] He earned a Ph.D. in philosophy under John Hick at the University of Birmingham, England, in 1977 and a D.Theol. under Wolfhart Pannenberg at the University of Munich in 1984.[7]

His "doctorate" is in fucking philosophy/theology which basically means nothing worthwhile at all. He is, in short, a jesus freak shit slinger who has managed to extract a lot of money from terrified fools who need reassurance that their fucking bible is true.

[KichigaiNeko]

creation.com is Craig's web page?

[Mystical]

Reasonablefaith.com is the theist forums Panda referred me to, and I have been told its dedicated to Mr Craig. Yeah thank you btw I wasn't sure if I was reading it right, he does sound like he is advertising a book or something

[KichigaiNeko]

Reasonablefaith.com is the theist forums Panda referred me to, and I have been told its dedicated to Mr Craig. Yeah thank you btw I wasn't sure if I was reading it right, he does sound like he is advertising a book or something

Yeah missL; I did a search for the link you posted http://www.creationontheweb.org and got redirected to creation.com Checked out your link to your post and the replies seemed very confused :S

I am of the opinion that science and philosophy are not very comfortable bedfellows. One demands hard evidence the other tends to flights of fancy in the hope of finding hard evidence?

I can really understand your confusion as that was all I got from that forum.

[Angrboda]