Zimmerman verdict: Not Guilty.

[Tiberius]

Sometimes, being too logical as a judge allows for the real criminals to go free. It happens all the time in the imperfect justice system.

What is your alternative? Rely on gut instinct?

However, just because the system states someone is innocent does not make it so. The opposite is true as well.

I don't think you understand the justice system. It never states someone is "innocent". Rather, it finds people "guilty" or "not guilty". I am aware that the system sometimes makes mistakes, and a judgement is not absolute truth. However, for society to function properly we must treat a judgement as truth. It would be highly unjust and unfair to do otherwise.

It is healthier to have doubt than to place all of one's faith in a single decision, after all.

This is what I have been saying through the entire thread by the way. Unfortunately, you apply your own advice selectively.

I think attention whores make consciously overt gestures to highlight themselves? Even if Zim doesn't think he wants attention, he seems to keep finding it. His repeated run ins with the law are indicative of...something. As a comparison, I personally have to go back 20 years to come up with a single instance of lawlessness.(Speeding ticket.) Regardless of his motivations, I do think a bad ending likely.

Again, he only "keeps finding it" because the media focus on him. Plenty of people get speeding tickets, plenty of people get divorces and get into arguments during them. None of these people get stories written about them; Zimmerman is only different because he won a controversial court case. I'm not entirely sure what your comparison was meant to prove; I'm sure collectively we can come up with plenty of other examples of people here who have committed crimes in the past year.

He may be an amateur. His attitude, however, to place himself in situations where the media finds him is indicative of the hero complex. However, it may not be as complex or intelligently thought out.

Have you got any proof at all of this? Didn't think so. Like I said before, unless he personally calls the media when he gets pulled over by the cops, or has an argument with his wife, I can't really see how you are coming to these conclusions.

I cannot recall the technical term or even find it online right now, but it is where an individual sets up premeditated situations where he harms an individual in order to save him. Trayvon could have been Zimmerman's first real attempt, but he ended up killing the kid instead. Zimmerman's second media exploit would explain the heroism syndrome. Is that what it is called?

Pretty sure the first one is called "self-defense" and the second is called "being a nice guy".

I have yet to see any evidence that the criminal is innocent.

The jury however, did not find enough evidence to suggest guilt.

[A Theist]

Funny how these amateur armchair psychiatrists here always have a way of determining the worse analysis with the slightest of evidence.

I have yet to see any evidence that the criminal is innocent.

...and I have yet to see any evidence that he's a criminal. Zimmerman was judged according to Florida law and was found not guilty. You guys are assessing guilt according to naive and emotional ideology, (anti-gun, anti-white, anti-police, yada yada yada...), rather than considering any other variables and facts associated with this whole incident. Yes. A half white / half latino guy shot a black teen who had him pinned to the ground and who was pounding his face in with his fists and slamming his head on the concrete sidewalk. The person who broke the law that night was Trayvon Martin when he attacked and assaulted George Zimmerman.

[Captain Colostomy]

I think attention whores make consciously overt gestures to highlight themselves? Even if Zim doesn't think he wants attention, he seems to keep finding it. His repeated run ins with the law are indicative of...something. As a comparison, I personally have to go back 20 years to come up with a single instance of lawlessness.(Speeding ticket.) Regardless of his motivations, I do think a bad ending likely.

Again, he only "keeps finding it" because the media focus on him. Plenty of people get speeding tickets, plenty of people get divorces and get into arguments during them. None of these people get stories written about them; Zimmerman is only different because he won a controversial court case. I'm not entirely sure what your comparison was meant to prove; I'm sure collectively we can come up with plenty of other examples of people here who have committed crimes in the past year.

I'm not concerned about media coverage. I was looking at the curiously high number of run ins he's had. My point was only that compared to most citizens, he's kept the police busy...relatively. It seems to me indicative of that...something...I mentioned earlier. It's not a damnable thing, but I imagine of two persons- one a fellow who has never even jaywalked, and another who repeatedly has 'issues' with the law, the latter would be more likely to cause trouble down the road. Zimmerman shows a pattern, weak as it may seem. His willingness to find trouble and shoot his way out again is what is worrying.

I'm cognizant of the 'innocent til...' line. Goody gumdrops for him. My opinion is to eye him suspiciously now.

[Minimalist]

4. His lawyer was mistaken.

You forgot that one. For some reason you seem to automatically assume Zimmerman is guilty of every allegation thrown at him. I'm glad you're not a judge.

And where did Zimmerman's lawyer get his information from? Let's see. "I'm an attorney. I'll go in front of a bunch of reporters and shoot my fucking mouth off without talking to my client."

I get it that you approve of him shooting the black kid, Tibby. But stop being stupid.

[Tonus]

And where did Zimmerman's lawyer get his information from? Let's see. "I'm an attorney. I'll go in front of a bunch of reporters and shoot my fucking mouth off without talking to my client."

You've gotta admit, that doesn't sound too far-fetched for a lawyer. :p

[Foxaèr]

The jury however, did not find enough evidence to suggest guilt.

Must not have been a very bright jury, then.

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...and I have yet to see any evidence that he's a criminal.

There was plenty, but I would rather not rehash what has already been discussed in this thread ad nauseum.

[A Theist]

The jury however, did not find enough evidence to suggest guilt.

Must not have been a very bright jury, then.

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...and I have yet to see any evidence that he's a criminal.

There was plenty, but I would rather not rehash what has already been discussed in this thread ad nauseum.

Speculation =/= evidence

[wwjs]

And where did Zimmerman's lawyer get his information from? Let's see. "I'm an attorney. I'll go in front of a bunch of reporters and shoot my fucking mouth off without talking to my client."

I get it that you approve of him shooting the black kid, Tibby. But stop being stupid.

For fuck sake, every time a white person (or Hispanic in this case) shoots a black person no matter what you start your "look, he got shot because he's black".

[Tiberius]

And where did Zimmerman's lawyer get his information from? Let's see. "I'm an attorney. I'll go in front of a bunch of reporters and shoot my fucking mouth off without talking to my client."

The word I used was "mistaken". It doesn't matter where the lawyer got his information from. I'm not saying his source may have been mistaken; I'm saying the lawyer may have been. If someone tells you something, you go out and say the exact opposite, then it is you who is mistaken, even if the original information you received was accurate.

I get it that you approve of him shooting the black kid, Tibby. But stop being stupid.

Piss off. You know I don't approve of him shooting anyone. I would rather the entire situation had gone differently; a dead kid is a tragedy whether he was at fault or not.

For fuck sake, every time a white person (or Hispanic in this case) shoots a black person no matter what you start your "look, he got shot because he's black".

Unfortunately this is the only attitude you can have if you believe the myth that racism is so widespread in America that practically every white person is a racist. Black people can shoot black people, black people can shoot white people, and it's just a shooting. When a white person shoots a black person, well, it just has to be because they were black.

[A Theist]

And where did Zimmerman's lawyer get his information from? Let's see. "I'm an attorney. I'll go in front of a bunch of reporters and shoot my fucking mouth off without talking to my client."

I get it that you approve of him shooting the black kid, Tibby. But stop being stupid.

For fuck sake, every time a white person (or Hispanic in this case) shoots a black person no matter what you start your "look, he got shot because he's black".

You definitely have him pegged right wwjs...I wonder why Min doesn't get as bent over the black on black crime rate? Look at the high numbers of the Black on Black murder rate in Chicago....I haven't heard anything from Min on that one as far as I can remember...and you won't see Min and a few of the others here get as bent out of shape when it's a Black guy killing a White guy. Maybe it's because Min is racist against his own skin color and feels he has to apologize for being White. Although he definitely feels pretty comfortable throwing around the "N" word and afterward will accuse the people who don't buy into his ranting ignorance as racists. Or maybe it's because the leftist and so-called progressive news sources that Min reads in online articles and watches on television ignores those things which leaves him misinformed...or, it could be that Min just chooses to be ignorant and misinformed if it doesn't agree with his ideology.