YES! Abortion is WRONG. The women's choice is either to keep it or give it up for adoption. Those are her choices. Unless it is proven rape. Then there is the morning after pill.
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 (September 20, 2008 at 8:48 am)ArtisticAtheist Wrote: I believe it is up to the women having the child, But for me i would at least give the baby a chance.Like see if someone else might want to adopt the baby. Maybe a couple that cant conceive or a Gay couple.I think you should always give life a chance.That's faulty logic. Are you against masturbation? We're not giving those spent sperm a chance. You honestly think that it's morally responsible to choose to have a baby every time? Even in the face of looming overpopulation? Even considering the physical pain, body changes, time off work, and financial costs? How anyone can be an atheist and also pro-life is completely mind-blowing to me. Abortion should ALWAYS be on the table. Nobody has the right to make that decision but the mother.
Thats me personally! You might have a differance in opinion which you do so just leave it at that. I said i would do that, But if the mother who is having the child doesnt want to give birth to this life forum than that is her choice. And no i'm not against masturbation.
I don't think in all situations you should have the baby but if you are willing to go through with the pain and have the baby to let someone else care for it than why not ?  RE: Abortion?
September 22, 2008 at 5:46 pm
(This post was last modified: September 22, 2008 at 5:51 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
I believe that it is certainly okay if it is done before the fetus can feel pain, (before it has a nervous system). Shortly after that stage I feel there would be a few exceptions where the fetus could be aborted; like if the fetus has developed problems and is going to miscarry anyway or will die after birth. If a fetus is in a very advanced stage I can't really currently think of any reason in which an abortion would be acceptable. Maybe only if it's going to die anyway I'm not sure on this subject....the moral decision I believe is based on the fetus' suffering or the suffering it will endure if it becomes a child (if it's born).
This is the thing with issues like this. Personal feelings should be taken as such. Abortion should be legal, and if you don't like it, why not simply NOT get an abortion. Same with gay marriage.
(September 22, 2008 at 6:29 pm)Tiberius Wrote: This is the thing with issues like this. Personal feelings should be taken as such. Abortion should be legal, and if you don't like it, why not simply NOT get an abortion. Same with gay marriage.I agree it is up to the mother. But I also think it should be guided by the morality of how much the fetus (or child) will suffer whether thats before or after it's born. A very developed fetus that has a nervous system and doesn't have any disfunctions that will make it suffer after birth, is much more alive, capable of suffering, and more conscious than an undevoped fetus or a sperm cell and if it doesn't have any disfunctions that lead to suffering that evidently means that it can't be aborted to stop the fetus suffering after it's born and becomes a baby. That's my opinion anyway...It's hard to take into account so many variables. So I could certainly be wrong.
This might come off as harsh, but the "suffering of the fetus" shouldn't play into this.
It's attached to a woman. For all intents and purposes, that fetus is part of the woman. Would a moment of suffering be cause enough to contribute to our planets over-population? How about the lifetime of living through a foster system, or coming to terms with being unwanted by your mother? The world isn't a nice place. Animals suffer every day. Yes, even cute little baby animals. Nature can be torture. Terminating a fetus is not torture, it's a medical procedure. The 'suffering' of a yet-to-be developed human shouldn't be as big of a talking point as it is. RE: Abortion?
September 29, 2008 at 7:43 pm
(This post was last modified: September 29, 2008 at 7:44 pm by Edwardo Piet.)
(September 29, 2008 at 7:15 pm)Meatball Wrote: This might come off as harsh, but the "suffering of the fetus" shouldn't play into this. Well I certainly see your point.. I gave my view based on what I thought was moral but to be honest I really don't know much about this subject...futhermore I'm not a woman...I don't claim to be any more right than you...so good point, and I would be interested in learning more about this moral issue...so I'll ( or we'll) keep learning. I don't claim to be right...this is how I ( or we) learn. This is a very difficult decision to make in my opinion... however, I do THINK it PROBABLY shouldn't be a decision that is to be made in any extreme either way...  RE: Abortion?
January 20, 2009 at 9:17 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2009 at 9:18 am by leo-rcc.)
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