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Atheists answer me
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RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 6:53 am)iAisha Wrote: the god of this world , who created u

My parents created me. Wait until they find out they're gods.

The rest of what you said is too horribly incoherent for me to give any kind of response.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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#12
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: hi and hope all are fine

for those who dont believe in god i have a question
which type of evidences do you need to prove the existence of god

what i know it is not necessary to have evidence to prove existence of things

example 1:
suppose in the real world , i can see red color and they are many things have this color e.g blood
in contract the blind cant feel this color, cant see it

so if the blind people say give me an evidence to prove the existence of red color

what shall i say , do i have to make him touch the blood

if he touch it , is it enough ?

no

so do we believe the blind if he say i dont believe in red color

of course no.

believe in god is something out of our control

because a human is restricted in time and space

believe in god is like when a blind asks you to prove the existence of colors

This is like the story the emperors new clothes, the story being a conman sells invisible clothes to the king and tells him only clever people can see the clothes, but they aren't invisible clothes they are made out of nothing and the king is walking around naked.

All you're basically saying is people who don't believe in god are just blind to god, not capable of seeing him.

If you take the example of someone who is color blind then this is the perfect example of why god is not real.

If you're color blind and don't believe in color you can take a leaf and a sample of the color green and show it to the people who live near you and they will say they are the same color and then present them with a purple grape and they will say it's a different color. you can then present these 3 things to people who live in spain, japan, china, brazil, africa or any culture in the world and the majority of people will say they are the leaf and the sample of the color green are the same and the grape is different (unless they too are color blind or have some deficiency in telling colors apart)
Ask people about god on the other hand and your results will be different, they will depend not on what each individual persons senses but upon which culture they have been indoctrinated in, the answers will be inconsistent and variable.
If alien detectives came to earth to investigate if humans really saw color they would come away with evidence pointing to the answer being yes because of mainly consistent answers, if alien detectives came to earth to investigate whether people really saw a god they answers they got would be inconsistent, like a detective investigating a murder and if 3 witnesses said they saw the killer but one says he had a beard with long hair, one says he was black with a shaved hear the other says he was a jewish scotsman with a kilt, it would suggest it's quite likely they are lying.

This doesn't prove color is real or that god is not real but in my opinion definitely makes it a more plausible scenario.


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#13
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: hi and hope all are fine

for those who dont believe in god i have a question
which type of evidences do you need to prove the existence of god
Ask yourself the same question about a God you don't believe in, and you will have your answer.
(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: what i know it is not necessary to have evidence to prove existence of things

example 1:
suppose in the real world , i can see red color and they are many things have this color e.g blood
in contract the blind cant feel this color, cant see it

so if the blind people say give me an evidence to prove the existence of red color

what shall i say , do i have to make him touch the blood

if he touch it , is it enough ?

no

so do we believe the blind if he say i dont believe in red color

If you say your favorite ice cream is chocolate, you don't need to be able to prove it. You are the subject matter expert there. If you make an objective claim about the external universe, then, you are no longer the only one that can verify this claim. Your claims can now be subjected to the same process I use to verify truth. Do you see a difference? Subjective Vs. Objective?

(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: so do we believe the blind if he say i dont believe in red color

of course no.
Whether we believe them or not is irrelevant. It makes no difference. They are entitled to their opinion. Whether or not they see red is verifiable only to them. I don't need to form a belief either way on that matter.

(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: believe in god is like when a blind asks you to prove the existence of colors
Only until you extend your opinion to the external universe that we all share. You are taking a subjective opinion that God exists (to you), and saying it is also true for me. It is no longer up to you. God can very well be real to you, whether or not It is actually real, is something different entirely. Do you understand?

It all boils down to whether you are claiming your belief counts as knowledge for you or for everyone.
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#14
RE: Atheists answer me
we have a book to follow called quran , it says what is a god , god is the one who owns this world , who created u and me if u dont believe , can u answer me

who governs this life , this world , this universe??

is it nature ?!
or the Imagination



and why there are many gods , do u think believers believe in many gods !
if we believe in many gods , and if they are really many gods !

it means all gods we destroy this world


why !

it is like when 2 or more Governors govern a country and each governor wants something to happen and others dont want it

here the country will be destroyed

conclusion there is only 1 god who created u and me and all
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#15
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm)iAisha Wrote: we have a book to follow called quran , it says what is a god , god is the one who owns this world , who created u and me if u dont believe , can u answer me

who governs this life , this world , this universe??

is it nature ?!
or the Imagination



and why there are many gods , do u think believers believe in many gods !
if we believe in many gods , and if they are really many gods !

it means all gods we destroy this world


why !

it is like when 2 or more Governors govern a country and each governor wants something to happen and others dont want it

here the country will be destroyed

conclusion there is only 1 god who created u and me and all

why do you believe that god is like a government and why do you think someone governs life?


Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.

Impersonation is treason.





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#16
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm)iAisha Wrote: if we believe in many gods , and if they are really many gods !

it means all gods we destroy this world


why !

it is like when 2 or more Governors govern a country and each governor wants something to happen and others dont want it

here the country will be destroyed

conclusion there is only 1 god who created u and me and all
Logic really isn't your forté, is it? Thinking
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#17
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 12:36 pm)NoraBrimstone Wrote: Logic really isn't your forté, is it? Thinking
Or English. Needs some work.
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#18
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm)iAisha Wrote: we have a book to follow called quran , it says what is a god , god is the one who owns this world , who created u and me if u dont believe , can u answer me

You don't understand. These are examples of unreliable processes for discerning truth. You want me to prove your own God for you? Why would anybody accept that?
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#19
RE: Atheists answer me
I can prove the existence of colors to the blind. At least the educated and open minded type.
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#20
RE: Atheists answer me
(July 28, 2013 at 6:29 am)iAisha Wrote: which type of evidences do you need to prove the existence of god

This kind of evidence would do (though with the opposite message):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8-8WJxA-cI

Quote:what i know it is not necessary to have evidence to prove existence of things

When you make the claim "my god is real", yes, you have to provide evidence.

Quote:example 1:


What happened to example two..? Thinking

Quote:believe in god is something out of our control

because a human is restricted in time and space

believe in god is like when a blind asks you to prove the existence of colors

Yeah, believe all you want, I at least want to know.

(July 28, 2013 at 12:14 pm)iAisha Wrote: we have a book to follow called quran , it says what is a god

I see your Qur'an and raise you the Bible, Torah, Veda, Kalevala and Edda.

Quote:who governs this life , this world , this universe??

The laws of physics.

Quote:and why there are many gods , do u think believers believe in many gods !
if we believe in many gods , and if they are really many gods !

it means all gods we destroy this world

This is quite incomprehensible, please elaborate.


Quote:it is like when 2 or more Governors govern a country and each governor wants something to happen and others dont want it

here the country will be destroyed

conclusion there is only 1 god who created u and me and all

Many gods wouldn't get along, thus god exists? Nah, I don't buy it.

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