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The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 9:47 am
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 10:08 am
My thoughts are that you give no context for those quotes.
Without context, it's all word play.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 10:21 am
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 10:25 am
What currently unknown scientific discoveries does the Koran predict?
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 10:37 am
The flying spaghetti monster told him that. The reasons why he wants us to believe that the universe is expanding is currently unknown.
Unfortunately he was not believed. Because of this the flying spaghetti monster created a device called a telescope to convince us. The telescope does not look into space but instead into a small growth on one of the flying spaghetti monsters Noodly Appendage. This proves that he is real.
Any spelling mistakes are due to my godlessness!
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 11:07 am
Didn't bother reading, don't have to.
Here's something you need to consider, 50 years ago, some man somewhere may have said "one day, gays will get to legally marry in this country". Does that make him a prophet? And yet the only difference between him and your prophet is that no one wrote down what he said.
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 11:26 am
Wow. You can dig through a book that's hundreds of pages long and pull out a piece of poetry that, entirely out of context, can kinda-sorta be interpreted to mean something true. Congratu-fucking-lations.
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 11:34 am
Come at me bro!
I read the Quran and it my main reason for rejecting it.
It`like a fascist manual to building a regime.
Now justify things like chopping off someones arms for theft, that omen are only half a man`s worth, stoning people to death, seeing jews as constantly dishonest and conspiering against islam and the complet rejection of rights for those who are not muslim!
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RE: The Quran - A Miracle
August 6, 2013 at 11:36 am
We've been through this in another thread.
Or maybe it was another site altogether.... maybe TTA.
But anyway, it's funny that these "scientific" discoveries from the Quran weren't realized until after science discovered them.
In other words, no one knew that the Quran was making these predictions until we already knew these things. Where are the people who learned these things prior to modern science?
Even if the Quran was stating these things ahead of modern times, either all the people up until today were too stupid to realize was the book was saying, or it was worded in a way that was so obscure and vague that there was no way to really know what it meant.
Either way, it makes the predictive power of the Quran completely useless.
Case in point:
In the 30s or 20s, I forgot which, they predicted that we would find background microwave radiation in the universe.
At that time they had no way of testing it. It was a very specific prediction, nothing vague or obtuse about it, it was made as an absolute statement.
Fast forward to the 90s and 00s and we have tons of junk up in space looking at the deep reaches of the universe. Guess what we've found..... background microwave radiation.
That's how a prediction works. Seeing a prediction in hindsight, a post-diction, is useless since you know already know it and it had no power to impart any new information prior to that information already being know.
