Liberal Kid vs homeless man

[TheBeardedDude]

And approaching addictions as something people can be helped with instead of shunned for.

[Cato]

"Just let them die"

Hey, the shitstains shut down the government to prevent people getting health care. How much of a difference is there?

You would have had a point if Obamacare actually provided healthcare, but it doesn't.

[Minimalist]

Back to FOX for you. Your credibility is shot.

[TheBeardedDude]

It gives people who don't currently have it, access to affordable health care and helps some pay for it.

It is a damn sight better than not having the ACA.

[Lumpymunk]

Tough to imagine how "healthcare" (really just insurance) can be considered more affordable when premiums shoot up 200-300%.

Does it do anything about tackling patent laws pertaining to pharmaceutical companies re-inventing their own drugs to resell at higher prices when patents run out? Nope.

Does it do anything about tackle frivolous lawsuits in medicine so doctors stop practicing defensive medicine and over-prescribing antibiotics? Nope.

Does it do anything to address the disconnection between patients and the costs of the health services they consume (via health care providers charging whatever, submitted the costs to insurance, and the insurance companies just paying whatever)? Nope.

Does it do anything to tackle the massive profits (wasteful costs) of health insurance companies soak in? Nope! It just turns the inefficient federal bureaucracy into a health insurance company. That is some good profits those health insurance companies make... guess the government wanted in on that action.

Does it even provide insurance for everyone? Nope.

Basically, it doesn't even address the problem... but it makes people FEEL like they're helping.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, I don't think its very conservative to actually leave out the poor in the cold with nothing to eat, though I don't think that I've ever met a starving homeless person either.

[Captain Colostomy]

Tough to imagine how "healthcare" (really just insurance) can be considered more affordable when premiums shoot up 200-300%.

Does it do anything about tackling patent laws pertaining to pharmaceutical companies re-inventing their own drugs to resell at higher prices when patents run out? Nope.

Does it do anything about tackle frivolous lawsuits in medicine so doctors stop practicing defensive medicine and over-prescribing antibiotics? Nope.

Does it do anything to address the disconnection between patients and the costs of the health services they consume (via health care providers charging whatever, submitted the costs to insurance, and the insurance companies just paying whatever)? Nope.

Does it do anything to tackle the massive profits (wasteful costs) of health insurance companies soak in? Nope! It just turns the inefficient federal bureaucracy into a health insurance company. That is some good profits those health insurance companies make... guess the government wanted in on that action.

Does it even provide insurance for everyone? Nope.

Basically, it doesn't even address the problem... but it makes people FEEL like they're helping.

Is this you reading tea leaves, or just angry Tea Party 'letters to the editor'?

My wife's employer has already calculated a 200% savings on premiums for her. The reduction is largely due(as per their glossy full color booklet) to less overhead and profits being siphoned off by fat cats. Unless you are calling them liars, your blanket statement is all wet.

[TheBeardedDude]

My health insurance costs have gone down too.

The cost issue has to be looked at state by state because of that states preexisting regulations and laws on healthcare.

And if you dont make enough to cover the costs, you might qualify for subsidies. Then a person who was once uninsured now gets reduced-cost health insurance.

And I like that a damn sight better than paying full price via tax dollars for the bulls people just leave for the American people to pay.