the so fallible Bible

[Captain Colostomy]

I never understood why an atheist gets all self-righteous and morally superior about genocide in the bible.
Is such a person totally opposed to genocide in all cases? Is it just the biologically human 'genos' or are animals different? (Not special like we are.)

What about the pathogen that everyone else wants to wipe off the face of the Earth? What type of genocide is that?

If there was a country inhabited entirely by a people (or a species) that wanted to wipe out some other entire country at all costs - kill or be killed, fight till the very last man standing - would we leave them to their own devices?

Purposeful genocide is reprehensible enough without absolving yourself through the mandate of the voice in your head. With that maniac whispering in your ear, any and all crimes against humanity are suddenly justifiable. Voices or not, it's crazy you don't see the big deal. Christ.

[Minimalist]

I never understood why an atheist gets all self-righteous and morally superior about genocide in the bible.

Because we did not invent a whole shitload of bloody stories which portray it as something holy. Goes a long way.

[Ryantology]

I never understood why an atheist gets all self-righteous and morally superior about genocide in the bible.

I do understand why Christians so gleefully justify genocide however they can. It's what you expect when you're dealing with psychopaths in a death cult founded on a horrifyingly misanthropic belief system.

[Tonus]

Evil by who's standard?
Soceity has a standard of Good and evil and God has a different one. God's standard was first, and is well established.

But if we accept that god's standard is the correct one, then we can treat women like...

No they were kept to supply Israel with breeding stock.

...and best of all, it's moral! Moral on a godly scale! And what are those unappreciative bitches gonna do about it? After all, the alternative was death, so why complain? Just shut up and spread those legs, little miss breeding stock!

[Lion IRC]

I never understood why an atheist gets all self-righteous and morally superior about genocide in the bible.
Is such a person totally opposed to genocide in all cases? Is it just the biologically human 'genos' or are animals different? (Not special like we are.)

What about the pathogen that everyone else wants to wipe off the face of the Earth? What type of genocide is that?

If there was a country inhabited entirely by a people (or a species) that wanted to wipe out some other entire country at all costs - kill or be killed, fight till the very last man standing - would we leave them to their own devices?
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I do understand why Christians so gleefully justify genocide however they can. It's what you expect when you're dealing with psychopaths in a death cult founded on a horrifyingly misanthropic belief system.

Only God is justified.
I was asking how humans justify genocide.
Usually, they assert some sort of humanist, utilitarian...end justifies the means form of logic.

Come on. Stop deflecting.
Was the Enola Gay pilot justified in killing more people in Hiroshima than any soldier in Joshua's war against the Canaanites?
If the Nazis had been determined to fight to the very last man, woman and child, would their total annihilation by the Allies have been a necessary evil?
If Al Qaeda was a genetically discreet group/culture of people, would it be attempted genocide to wipe them out in a war on terror?

[max-greece]

I do understand why Christians so gleefully justify genocide however they can. It's what you expect when you're dealing with psychopaths in a death cult founded on a horrifyingly misanthropic belief system.

Only God is justified.
I was asking how humans justify genocide.
Usually, they assert some sort of humanist, utilitarian...end justifies the means form of logic.

Come on. Stop deflecting.
Was the Enola Gay pilot justified in killing more people in Hiroshima than any soldier in Joshua's war against the Canaanites?
If the Nazis had been determined to fight to the very last man, woman and child, would their total annihilation by the Allies have been a necessary evil?
If Al Qaeda was a genetically discreet group/culture of people, would it be attempted genocide to wipe them out in a war on terror?

Why is God justified? More importantly - why do you worship him unless its out of fear?

I have no idea how humans justify genocide but usually its "in the name of......" Often that of is religion.

If Joshua had had the bomb, or if God had been smart enough to come up with one instead of throwing rocks, then you wouldn't have been able to ask.

You also might want to read up on the end of the second world war. The Nazi's fought till the last. The regime fell, street by street across Berlin, culminating in Hitler's bunker - it was only then that they surrendered.

If Al Quaeda was a genertically dicreet group.....????

If my grandmother had balls she would have been my grandfather.

[Lion IRC]

Why is God justified? More importantly - why do you worship him unless its out of fear?

I don't fear Him for what He might do, I fear what would happen if He STOPPED doing things for me.

You also might want to read up on the end of the second world war. The Nazi's fought till the last. The regime fell, street by street across Berlin, culminating in Hitler's bunker - it was only then that they surrendered.

They what...? "surrendered" you say? They surrendered?
That would mean I am correct. They did NOT fight to the last man, woman and child.
BTW - every history of the Nazis I have read says that the vast majority of the population abandoned Nazism and surrendered the fight long before the fall of Berlin.
Hitler himself didn't even fight to the death. (How about YOU read some history)

[Brakeman]

Was the Enola Gay pilot justified in killing more people in Hiroshima than any soldier in Joshua's war against the Canaanites?
If the Nazis had been determined to fight to the very last man, woman and child, would their total annihilation by the Allies have been a necessary evil?
If Al Qaeda was a genetically discreet group/culture of people, would it be attempted genocide to wipe them out in a war on terror?

No the atomic bombing was not justified because the Japanese regime was already suing for peace, just not accepting unconditional surrender yet and it was not a strong military target. It was on the edge of being justified though, as it was not targeting the women and children.
No killing combatants like the Nazis is not genocide, killing the innocent and the helpless is.
We do not target the wives and children of Al Qaeda, because genocide is morally reprehensible to us. We are too nice to even target their objects of superstition.

There is no situation where we could go into hospitals, asylums, and preschools to murder the innocent without being condemned by society, unlike your god.
We are enormously more moral that your bronze age god.

[Drich]

But if we accept that god's standard is the correct one, then we can treat women like...

Just because one can do something does not mean it should be done. Enter in 'Treat others as you would like to be treated.' This has implications in this life but what Christ was refering to was what happens in the next.

So again if one was an OT Jew he did have the right to do any of the things mentioned in the OT, but on the back end it leaves that man open for a simliar treatment for the rest of his eternity.

...and best of all, it's moral! Moral on a godly scale!

The word you are looking for is righteous.

And what are those unappreciative bitches gonna do about it?

They learned to cook kosher and to raise a Jewish family.

After all, the alternative was death, so why complain?

Death was the end, I am sure there were beating between being captured and death.

Just shut up and spread those legs, little miss breeding stock!

Do you not know your own country's history? Are you not aware that every country that has ever claimed a stake in this planet has done the very SAME Thing? We may call it different things and we may sugar coat it today, but the same thing has happened over and over and over again since the dawn of man, Why is it now wrong for God to have regulated this act?

[John V]

And just how did the hypocrite thing get turned around on us atheists?

By the atheists who say it's monstrous or despicable or some such to allow people to suffer, yet allow people to suffer.