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(January 18, 2010 at 2:13 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm personally backing the Tories. Labour have destroyed the country enough over the last 12 years. The Conservative party have changed radically, and are a force for the future.
Sounds like the empty rhetoric my friend at school spouts daily. Although I'm sure you actually have reason to believe what you're saying.
Naturally.
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(January 18, 2010 at 2:22 pm)Tiberius Wrote: There's something democratic about socialism???
(January 18, 2010 at 2:13 pm)Tiberius Wrote: I'm personally backing the Tories. Labour have destroyed the country enough over the last 12 years. The Conservative party have changed radically, and are a force for the future.
I wouldnt trust David Cameron as far as I could comfortably spit him.
You are probably too young to remember the utter shambles the Tories were last time.
Much of the economic ruin can still be laid at Maggies door, the foundations for ruin were all laid back then.
I live in a Tory run area that is of course racked with fraud and scandal, (duck houses).
The tories are rather quickly killing the town and you want to give them a larger area to screw with!!
But you are probably right that the tories will get in.
I live in fear of this.
I'd prefer the liberal democrats but their about as likely to win as there is of there being a god.
The Tories "last time" have nothing to do with the Tories of today. The Conservatives under Cameron will strike down all the unfair laws that were imposed under the socialist labour government. About time I say.
(January 19, 2010 at 4:31 pm)Tiberius Wrote: You say naive, I say common sense.
Remember I live in a tory controlled area which they are ON THIER OWN systematically destroying with stupid schemes that would seem like a good idea until you think about them for five minutes.
Labour may have made some mistakes but I think their hearts were in the right place.
I for example fear the ability to hold prisoners for a long time with out charge not because they are in Labours hands but because they will soon be in the tories.
As for Cameron, he has said his heroine was Margaret Thatcher, the evil harridon whose ghastly effects linger on.
It was that rancid hags idea that every thing would be better if left to market forces which led to the selling off of the vital infrastructure that only works if government run.
I still remeber the good old days when if I wanted to return to somewhere I'd travelled to by bus I could use any bus to return not have to wait for the right bus while five others from the wrong companies pass me by.
(January 21, 2010 at 2:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Remember I live in a tory controlled area which they are ON THIER OWN systematically destroying with stupid schemes that would seem like a good idea until you think about them for five minutes.
My hometown is a Tory controlled area (for many many moons now) and is doing very well. Your point? If you want to point out some actual policies or schemes that you think they are destroying, please do so. However just asserting that they are destroying your area without actual proof isn't going to win me over. Which area do you live in by the way?
Quote:Labour may have made some mistakes but I think their hearts were in the right place.
I for example fear the ability to hold prisoners for a long time with out charge not because they are in Labours hands but because they will soon be in the tories.
Socialists have hearts??? But seriously...no. All they did was enforce minimum wage and other ghastly controls over business, plunging us into a recession. Labour want to support the section of society that have the least skills, and punish the section of society that have contributed the most to the economy. Free market capitalism on the other hand treats everyone the same; same tax rate, same opportunities for success. Whilst free market capitalism tells people "Work hard and you will be rewarded", the socialist Labour policies tell people "Lay around, don't bother getting a job, the state will support you". Well I'm sorry if I sound mean, but I don't want my taxes going to people who cannot be bothered to get a job, and who simply live off the welfare benefits.
Quote:As for Cameron, he has said his heroine was Margaret Thatcher, the evil harridon whose ghastly effects linger on.
Which ghastly effects would those be then? I honestly don't care if the man says his heroine was Margaret Thatcher; his policies are all I am interested in, and his ability to enact them.
Quote:It was that rancid hags idea that every thing would be better if left to market forces which led to the selling off of the vital infrastructure that only works if government run.
Yes...but that is a very good idea. I simply disagree that it "only works if government run". The line between government and business is very slim, even now. If a government can do it, a business can also do it. Name one thing that defies this.
Quote:I still remeber the good old days when if I wanted to return to somewhere I'd travelled to by bus I could use any bus to return not have to wait for the right bus while five others from the wrong companies pass me by.
Oh boohoo. You have to wait the same amount of time for a bus whether it is run by the government or a business. The fact that different companies have different bus times is irrelevant. You honestly think if government controlled the buses, every bus that you see would be converted and you'd get 5 running every 30 minutes? You have to be joking! That would be a waste of government funds, and would make everyone upset that the money isn't being spent on something else. The only reason buses can be as frequent as they are is by having multiple bus companies competing against the others.
If you really hate waiting so much, buy a single next time, and then another on the way back. Sure, it'll cost a bit more, but you are the one complaining about waiting for a bus.
(January 21, 2010 at 2:21 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Remember I live in a tory controlled area which they are ON THIER OWN systematically destroying with stupid schemes that would seem like a good idea until you think about them for five minutes.
My hometown is a Tory controlled area (for many many moons now) and is doing very well. Your point? If you want to point out some actual policies or schemes that you think they are destroying, please do so. However just asserting that they are destroying your area without actual proof isn't going to win me over. Which area do you live in by the way?
Quote:Labour may have made some mistakes but I think their hearts were in the right place.
I for example fear the ability to hold prisoners for a long time with out charge not because they are in Labours hands but because they will soon be in the tories.
Socialists have hearts??? But seriously...no. All they did was enforce minimum wage and other ghastly controls over business, plunging us into a recession. Labour want to support the section of society that have the least skills, and punish the section of society that have contributed the most to the economy. Free market capitalism on the other hand treats everyone the same; same tax rate, same opportunities for success. Whilst free market capitalism tells people "Work hard and you will be rewarded", the socialist Labour policies tell people "Lay around, don't bother getting a job, the state will support you". Well I'm sorry if I sound mean, but I don't want my taxes going to people who cannot be bothered to get a job, and who simply live off the welfare benefits.
Quote:As for Cameron, he has said his heroine was Margaret Thatcher, the evil harridon whose ghastly effects linger on.
Which ghastly effects would those be then? I honestly don't care if the man says his heroine was Margaret Thatcher; his policies are all I am interested in, and his ability to enact them.
Quote:It was that rancid hags idea that every thing would be better if left to market forces which led to the selling off of the vital infrastructure that only works if government run.
Yes...but that is a very good idea. I simply disagree that it "only works if government run". The line between government and business is very slim, even now. If a government can do it, a business can also do it. Name one thing that defies this.
Quote:I still remeber the good old days when if I wanted to return to somewhere I'd travelled to by bus I could use any bus to return not have to wait for the right bus while five others from the wrong companies pass me by.
Oh boohoo. You have to wait the same amount of time for a bus whether it is run by the government or a business. The fact that different companies have different bus times is irrelevant. You honestly think if government controlled the buses, every bus that you see would be converted and you'd get 5 running every 30 minutes? You have to be joking! That would be a waste of government funds, and would make everyone upset that the money isn't being spent on something else. The only reason buses can be as frequent as they are is by having multiple bus companies competing against the others.
If you really hate waiting so much, buy a single next time, and then another on the way back. Sure, it'll cost a bit more, but you are the one complaining about waiting for a bus.
I see we aren't going to agree on this one.
By the way I'm from Gosport home of the duck house buying Tory crook whose been lording it as MP here for as long as I can remember.
Suffice it to say my experiences of tendering out have not been happy ones, Hospital cleaners is all I will say on that.
