The Good Samaritian

[KichigaiNeko]

Then you shoot them? Disembowelment, blood and swash and all that?

Nah, stabbing is more the Finnish MO

awww Kayenneh, you spoil ALL my fun!

Can I at least do a dissection?

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[Waratah]

There was a discussion I had about the Good samaritian with one of you and I miss spoke when I said a neighbor is anyone in close proxcimity to you.

How come you will not concede in the actually thread that we are discussing? I thought you did not want to talk anymore about your use of neighbour instead of friend.

Upon closer review of the message Jesus taught found in Luke 10, A neighbor is anyone willing to do you a kindness, no matter who it is if he knows you or not whether you are friends or not.

The more you post the more lies come out. Your stated in this post that neighbour and friend means the same thing. Now you are saying that a neighbour does not have to be a friend. Please explain how you can say that these two words are he same. You are a liar.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?sea...ersion=NIV

Say for instance if you go to your friends house in the middle of the night and you ask him for a loaf of bread and he says no, but you keep asking and keep seeking, and keep knocking on his door till he gives you bread, your 'bad friend' can still be considered a neighbor according to the parable Jesus taught.

Did the friend show pity on his friend who wanted loaves? No he did not give the loaves out of pity. Not a neighbour.

Did the friend show mercy on his friend who wanted loaves? No he did not give the loaves through mercy. Not a neighbour.

Do you now see how your 'good samaritan parable' does not support your use of neighbour instead of friend?

You even agreed with me here

Did the friend show mercy on his friend who wanted loaves? again what was done was not out of mercy. it was out of self intrest.

But for the sake of progressing any arguement I am willing to conceed the use of the word neighbor when the bible states the word friend.

Don't do it for sake of progressing an argument, concede because you are wrong.

Get you ass back to the other thread and you can try again in answering this question.

Why did you insist saying it was a neighbour?

So far I have caught you in 3 lies on just this one issue.

Don't answer it here keep our discussion in "Evolution Trumps Creationism" thread. Do not spread this discussion into 5 threads.

[Captain Colostomy]

Boo-yah, beatch!

[max-greece]

According to this interpretation you are instructed to love those that will do you a good turn.

That is a hugely disappointing interpretation.

I have to disagree to an extent. Though I find it a bit hypocritical too (though Drich can probably shed some light on the Christian point of view, if neighbourly love should be unconditional), I immediately think of Deidre's forgiveness thread. You can only be that forgiving and nice to someone, who constantly drains you of your resources without giving anything back. It's not like you have to keep a tally and the giving/receiving has to add up, but a too one sided relationship is taxing.

That's not quite the point I was trying to make but I didn't explain it very well so its my fault.

Basically I had this down as another version of the "Do unto others..." speech and it isn't, apparently. In fact - its almost the opposite - I can't quite wrap my mind around it yet.

"Do unto others as they have done to you?"

That seems to be heading back into an eye for an eye, but on the positive side possibly, I don't know, I'm not getting it - lets see what Drich says, or any of the other Christians on the forum.

[Tonus]

Basically I had this down as another version of the "Do unto others..." speech

That is what it reads like, to me. A man was asking Jesus what he needed to do in order to be saved, and perhaps was trying to seek a loophole when he asked "who is my neighbor?" Note that at the end of the parable, Jesus asks the man "Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?” And when the man answered that it was the Samaritan, Jesus told him to “go and do likewise.”

In other words, be a "neighbor" to those who need one, instead of looking for ways to avoid helping those in need.

[max-greece]

Am I having a total logic failure here? I must be:

Tonus - that's how I want it to read but I can't quite get there:

Love your neighbour as yourself.
Who is my neighbour?
The Good Samaritan is a good neighbour.
Go and do likewise

That is some fucked up shit right there. The only way it works if is the guy the Samaritan helps is the neighbour and he's the only bloody one who isn't referred to in that way.

This is not Jesus' best work!

[Tonus]

Hey, if it was simple to interpret, it wouldn't be Biblical! *rimshot*

[Bucky Ball]

Nah, stabbing is more the Finnish MO

awww Kayenneh, you spoil ALL my fun!

Can I at least do a dissection?

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Me too. I already killed everyone I need to. :p

Actually the story, (as explained by my Ivy League religion scholar instructors), was not about the *question* "who is my neighbor ?", but knowing the despised status of Samaritans in Galilean society, it was about acceptance of those seen as "other". The closest thing our culture used to have, similar to that, would have been ethnic minorities, and sexual minorities. The Christian cult failed abysmally to actually learn that lesson, and (just exactly like the Bible), the religious norms changed when the cultural norms changed. Religion sanctions culture. Culture does not sanction religion.

[Doubting Thomas]

Do unto others before they do unto you.

[max-greece]

"Actually the story, (as explained by my Ivy League religion scholar instructors), was not about the *question* "who is my neighbor ?", but knowing the despised status of Samaritans in Galilean society, it was about acceptance of those seen as "other". The closest thing our culture used to have, similar to that, would have been ethnic minorities, and sexual minorities. The Christian cult failed abysmally to actually learn that lesson, and (just exactly like the Bible), the religious norms changed when the cultural norms changed. Religion sanctions culture. Culture does not sanction religion."

I think that just made it worse.....Go and do likewise - become Samaritan? Its not about the neighbourhood - its about the minorities. The answer isn't the answer to the question is an answer to another question that wasn't asked. My head hurts.

Does this mean Drich and Waratah are killing each other over the wrong thing?

Just a moment. Jesus didn't like the Samaritans either

Matthew 10: Jesus sends out the disciples to drive out evil spirits and the like and to spread the word but he tells them specifically:

"Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel...."

He didn't think the Samaritans were worth it apparently.