The Forgotten Kingdom

[MindForgedManacle]

I've found Greece to be fascinating through and through. So many different and zany ideas arose, many of which have left a profound impact. The roots of philosophy, democracy and so many other things it's hard to list.

[Anomalocaris]

I've found Greece to be fascinating through and through. So many different and zany ideas arose, many of which have left a profound impact. The roots of philosophy, democracy and so many other things it's hard to list.

Greece is not the root of either philosophy or democracy. It is just painted that way by 19th century Romantics.

[MindForgedManacle]

Greece is not the root of either philosophy or democracy. It is just painted that way by 19th century Romantics.

In terms of more than just pseudo-profound thoughts and metaphysical twaddle, yes it was. Unless you're talking about the Milesian philosophers like Thales?

[Minimalist]

Having spent 152 pages laying our the archaeological and historical evidence for the rise and fall of "Israel" (The Northern Kingdom) as a separate entity from the Southern Kingdom (Judah) Finkelstein begins his conclusion with:

The decline of Israel commenced after the days of Jeroboam II. This was a result of another change in the geopolitical scene that brought about the renewed strengthening of Damascus, combined somewhat later with a dramatic transformation in the Assyrian policies in the west—from remote influence to conquest and annexation. In 732 b.c.e. Tiglath-pileser III king of Assyria took over the Galilee and northern valleys of the northern kingdom and annexed them to the Assyrian empire. According to 2 Kgs 15:29, the Gilead was conquered at the same time. It seems, however, that Israel had already lost its Transjordanian territories to Damascus a few years earlier, as Tiglath-pileser III recounts that he took this territory from Damascus rather than Israel (Na’aman 1995). Samaria was captured by Assyria in 722–720 b.c.e. (for details, see Becking 1992). The northern kingdom disappeared forever, groups of its elite population were deported
to Mesopotamia, and foreign groups were settled by the Assyrians in the territories of the fallen kingdom.

This was the end. Or was it? In a surprising twist of history, a short
while later Israel was back, not as a kingdom but as a concept. In fact,
the fall of one Israel opened the way for the rise of another Israel—the
children of Israel—composed of twelve tribes, encompassing the territory ruled by the two Hebrew kingdoms. In the course of this transformation, texts that originated in the northern kingdom were incorporated into the Bible, to form part of the great Hebrew epic.

In other words, the Southern power structure - who were collaborators with the Assyrians - found it necessary and useful to incorporate some of the tales of the Northern Kingdom into their nascent bullshit story which after much editing turned out to be the fucking bible.