New Levels of Low

[Godscreated]

Christianity was quite a bit in the future, the times you're alluding to was centuries into the past. So there was no gospel to be spread, the prophecies were still being written about Christ's coming.

GC

You ever heard of the Crusades?

Ever hear of knowing your history, Tonus was referring to events 1000 years before Christ.

GC

[Lion IRC]

Christianity was quite a bit in the future, the times you're alluding to was centuries into the past. So there was no gospel to be spread, the prophecies were still being written about Christ's coming.

GC

You ever heard of the Crusades?

Pretty sure the crusades didnt involve annihilating them to the last man, woman, and child.

Christian doctrine is clear and biblical.

- God so loved THE WORLD (not one country) so He.....

- ALL HUMANS are made in God's likeness, so they all share equality of value as creations.

- The entire human family are descended from related ancestors - Noah, so we really are all one family.

- God wants people to share the Good News to ALL nations.

- ANYONE who wants can be saved if they believe (accept) the Gospels invitation to repentance and Grace.

- People, ALL PEOPLE, have the free will to accept or reject His offer and God's promise is clear about what lies ahead for those who choose to reject His authority
and who try to prevent others from drawing near to God.
(A curse is on you, because you are trying to shut the kingdom of heaven against men: for you do not go in yourselves, and yet those who are seeking to go in, you try to keep them back.)

[Bad Writer]

You ever heard of the Crusades?

Ever hear of knowing your history, Tonus was referring to events 1000 years before Christ.

GC

Honestly all I read was your vague-ass post. Thanks for clarifying though: it's now clear you've cherry-picked your bible to exclude OT writings.

[Esquilax]

- God so loved THE WORLD (not one country) so He.....

Hence that favored tribe of Israel he has, something you've still not accounted for the last time I called you on it. To be clear, even Jesus himself thought this; one recalls a story in the new testament where he refused- initially- to heal a foreigner, the reason being that he was there as the salvation of god's chosen tribe alone.

- ALL HUMANS are made in God's likeness, so they all share equality of value as creations.

"You may buy your slaves from the heathens around you," Leviticus 25.

- The entire human family are descended from related ancestors - Noah, so we really are all one family.

All that biblical incest, yes...

- God wants people to share the Good News to ALL nations.

And kill them all if they don't get the message!

- ANYONE who wants can be saved if they believe (accept) the Gospels invitation to repentance and Grace.

Or die. Those are the options.

- People, ALL PEOPLE, have the free will to accept or reject His offer and God's promise is clear about what lies ahead for those who choose to reject His authority

... Or get murdered, remember?

[Ryantology]

THATS how you formally answer my challenge?
Vague generalisations. "Frequently targets of murder, theft, rape."
A complete lack of citations. Stupid red herrings - Apartheid? Desmond Tutu is a CHRISTIAN!!!

What exactly do you want citations for? This is all common fucking middle-school knowledge. Read any world history book. And yet again, what nerve to demand citations from me. You still haven't done it yourself for your biblical claim. I'm not going to let you forget that you're a dishonest, hypocritical cuntface until you stop being one.

If murdering Jews is a 'Christian' cause, why were Christians from around the world fighting to stop Germany/Hitler?

As if Christians killing other Christians is unheard of or something.

If Christianity didn't hold that all nations were in need of The Gospel of Jesus, they wouldn't have cared about spreading the Gospel to ALL NATIONS equally. And the care for ALL nations and ALL people certainly started much further back in history than the "last century".

Yeah, I know. It really got going in the 15th and 16th centuries when Christians blazed a trail of devastation throughout South and Central America. Christians have unquestionably done more harm than good in the interest of "spreading the Gospel", mostly because the only reliable way you sadistic retards could get anybody to believe in your horse shit was to draw swords and force them to on pain of death.

I'm not talking about spreading the virus of your religion. Who the fuck cares about your asanine fairy tales. I'm talking about acting like decent fucking human beings, which is still not something many of you have figured out.

[Godscreated]

Ever hear of knowing your history, Tonus was referring to events 1000 years before Christ.

GC

Honestly all I read was your vague-ass post. Thanks for clarifying though: it's now clear you've cherry-picked your bible to exclude OT writings.

What, you apparently have learned nothing about me in the posts I've given, to bad.

[Lion IRC]

THATS how you formally answer my challenge?
Vague generalisations. "Frequently targets of murder, theft, rape."
A complete lack of citations. Stupid red herrings - Apartheid? Desmond Tutu is a CHRISTIAN!!!

What exactly do you want citations for?

I dont need citations. You DO!

...This is all common fucking middle-school knowledge. Read any world history book.

No - it is your unsupported special pleading of something nebulous and vague that you really wish was true. But because you cant show hard stats when, where, who, how many...names, dates,
(like they do in history books) you have to go with the ambit bluff that usually works when youre surrounded by herd mentality groupies.

...And yet again, what nerve to demand citations from me. You still haven't done it yourself for your biblical claim.

I will happily get bible verses for people who commit to reading them and agree (in advance) that they WILL modify their view when proven wrong.

If murdering Jews is a 'Christian' cause, why were Christians from around the world fighting to stop Germany/Hitler?

As if Christians killing other Christians is unheard of or something.

Motive, motive, motive!!! Think Ryantology. THINK!
Whose 'cause' is it when humans of the same religion are fighting each other? How does God benefit if all his worshippers are killing each other?

...Christians have unquestionably done more harm than good in the interest of "spreading the Gospel"

Theres the tell-tale hallmark of special pleading.
The word "unquestionably''.
Dont question. Just accept.
Why?
Because I said so and everyone knows I'm right so there!

Wanna have a formal debate on the topic - Christianity has done more good/harm for humanity?

...the only reliable way you sadistic retards could get anybody to believe in your horse shit was to draw swords and force them to on pain of death.

Strangely, thats the exact OPPOSITE of how you get an idea to gain acceptance. How bad must an idea be if the only way you cvan get people to say they like it is by totalitarian brute force. (eg. Atheistic Communism.)

Grab one of those history books you were going on about and see how monumentally UNsuccessful Tomas de Torquemada was.

Read up on the rapid rise of Christianity IN SPITE of the attempts to persecute it out of existence.

[Yahweh]

And lol at "created". I've said this so many times(not on here), they fucking CHOOSE to be ignorant. You have hundreds, maybe even thousands of articles and reports of creditable information to your disposal, yet you're to scared to become a logical thinker because you believe you will piss off god. lol k.

[Mystical]

THATS how
If murdering Jews is a 'Christian' cause, why were Christians from around the world fighting to stop Germany/Hitler?

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on
his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted
in Freethought Today April 1990]

Wanna have a formal debate on the topic - Christianity has done more good/harm for humanity?

Yes. Start a thread if you have the balls to.

[Yahweh]

THATS how
If murdering Jews is a 'Christian' cause, why were Christians from around the world fighting to stop Germany/Hitler?

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a
fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded
by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and
summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest
not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian
and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord
at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the
Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was his fight
against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with
deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact
that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As
a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have
the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is
anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly, it is
the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty
to my own people. And when I look on my people I see them work and
work and toil and labor, and at the end of the week they have only
for their wages wretchedness and misery. When I go out in the morning
and see these men standing in their queues and look into their
pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very
devil, if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two
thousand years ago, turn against those by whom today this poor people
are plundered and exposed.”

[Adolf Hitler, speech in Munich on April 12, 1922, countering a
political opponent, Count Lerchenfeld, who opposed antisemitism on
his personal Christian feelings. Published in "My New Order", quoted
in Freethought Today April 1990]

Wanna have a formal debate on the topic - Christianity has done more good/harm for humanity?

Yes. Start a thread if you have the balls to.

I don't think it'd be fair if we only listed Christianity. I say we critique every major religion's contribution/destruction to mankind. I suppose known atheists who can be included if needed. These can be notorious or well respected atheists.