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New Levels of Low
RE: New Levels of Low
(November 20, 2013 at 11:50 pm)missluckie26 Wrote:
LionIRC Wrote:Wanna have a formal debate on the topic - Christianity has done more good/harm for humanity?

Yes. Start a thread if you have the balls to.

Would you like to have a 1-on-1 formal debate with me?
YAY
Duel

WAIT. Lets first check to see if there is air in the tires and fuel in the tank.

The formal debate motion; That Christianity has done more good for humanity than harm.

Affirmative/Negative : Lion IRC (Affirmative)

Participants - Lion IRC vs Who? Just you?

Scope - Christianity/Christians as defined by Nicene theological distinctives etc. A debate contending the overall net good (or harm) to human society over the last 2000 years resulting from the presence of and adherence to biblical Christianity. The contestants will attempt to persuade the audience that their notion of good/harm consists in the position each side takes respectively.

Format - Heres my suggestion;
*Introduction of no more than 500 words each
* 3 main debate posts of up to 1500 words each excluding diagrams, tables, images, etc. (Videos specifically excluded from debate)
* 5 question Q&A interrogatory prior to concluding remarks :
* Conclusion of no more than 500 words each
* 3 day post turnaround (72 hours to submission deadline) from their opponent's last post. No time extensions shall be allowed without the agreement of both contestants.
* Debate Mod to review and approve submitted posts within 24 hours of their submission.

Rules - No abusive ad hominem remarks. No retrospective editing of posts. Automatic forfeit of the debate if a post deadline is not met.
Any other AF.org house rules as deemed enforceable by the Debate Mod.

Moderator(s) - Dont care. If the rules are clearly laid out and agreed to in advance, it doesnt matter who Mods the debate.

Post debate Poll? Thinking
Example poll.

*Lion IRC won the debate, but I still disagree with his viewpoint
*Lion IRC won the debate and I continue to agree with his viewpoint
*Lion IRC won the debate and convinced me to alter my viewpoint on the issue
*Missluckie26 won the debate, but I still disagree with his/her viewpoint
*Missluckie26 won the debate and I continue to agree with his/her viewpoint
*Missluckie26 won the debate and convinced me to alter my viewpoint on the issue
*I cannot decide who won the debate
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RE: New Levels of Low
(November 18, 2013 at 9:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christianity was quite a bit in the future, the times you're alluding to was centuries into the past. So there was no gospel to be spread, the prophecies were still being written about Christ's coming.

But it is the same god, isn't it?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."

-Stephen Jay Gould
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RE: New Levels of Low
(November 21, 2013 at 1:13 am)Lion IRC Wrote: Would you like to have a 1-on-1 formal debate with me?
YAY

Sure Big Grin

Duel

Quote:The formal debate motion; That Christianity has done more good for humanity than harm.

Affirmative/Negative : Lion IRC (Affirmative)

Participants - Lion IRC vs Who? Just you?

Just me

Quote:Scope - Christianity/Christians as defined by Nicene theological [url=http://www.cru.org/about-us/statement-of-faith/index.htm]distinctives[/url] etc.

Link sent to website which had an invalid page.

Quote: A debate contending the overall net good (or harm) to human society over the last 2000 years resulting from the presence of and adherence to biblical Christianity. The contestants will attempt to persuade the audience that their notion of good/harm consists in the position each side takes respectively.


Are you limiting the scope of wrongs done by Christianity to the Catholics only?

http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/nicene.htm
And I believe one holy Catholic and Apostolic Church;

Quote:Format - Heres my suggestion;
*Introduction of no more than 500 words each


No word limit

Quote:* 3 main debate posts of up to 1500 words each excluding diagrams, tables, images, etc.


No word limit--the width, breadth, and length of the wrongs perpetrated by Christianity need more than 1500 word limit

Quote:(Videos specifically excluded from debate)

Sure

Quote:* 5 question Q&A interrogatory prior to concluding remarks :
* Conclusion of no more than 500 words each


No limit

Quote:* 3 day post turnaround (72 hours to submission deadline) from their opponent's last post. No time extensions shall be allowed without the agreement of both contestants.

Does this mean I would have 3 days to answer with a post, or that the whole debate would be over in 3 days?

I would add only one more suggestion:

Sources be legitimate educational research findings and historical documentation, validated mainstream concurrence by professionals with legitimate degrees.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: New Levels of Low
Since it looks like this is going to be a thing, let me just add this rider: wherever such rules as both parties agree upon might conflict with house rules, the house always wins. Probably unnecessary to point it out but this way nobody can cry foul later on.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: New Levels of Low
Would you agree to Mod the debate Stimbo?
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RE: New Levels of Low
Sure, I'll give it a shot. Serves me right for poking my head above the parapet, doesn't it?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist.  This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair.  Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second.  That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: New Levels of Low
lol I think we both got served, Stimbo. That'll teach me for talkin shit.
Yay! My first debate! And a subject so close to my heart, too..
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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RE: New Levels of Low
Waiting for someone to create the thread. I'd do it but it wasn't my idea, so I'm not quite sure on how this should go.
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RE: New Levels of Low
(November 21, 2013 at 11:15 am)Tonus Wrote:
(November 18, 2013 at 9:46 pm)Godschild Wrote: Christianity was quite a bit in the future, the times you're alluding to was centuries into the past. So there was no gospel to be spread, the prophecies were still being written about Christ's coming.

But it is the same god, isn't it?

Same God, yet a different covenant, one that could not come to pass until Christ came to bring His message, die and resurrected. The law was up front until the above happened.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: New Levels of Low
Bit late to the party GC we've moved on from there. A formal debate is being set up, fancy no?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain

'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House

“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom

"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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