New Levels of Low

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Lemonvariable72 if I show you the verse(s) will it change anything?

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Life (a living soul), liberty (free will), happiness to pursue...
These are writ large throughout the bible as gifts intended and endowed by our Creator.

.Liberté, égalité, fraternité

There is no freedom which is not rooted in free will autonomy.
Equality is the fundamental principle which arises from the idea that every human life is sacred.
Fraternity does not exist except for the fact that we all have One Father.

[GodsRevolt]

What?

What are you guys arguing about?

There's nothing wrong with the idea of evolution. Who's to say that a God who could do things quickly could not also do them very slowly?

And what is this about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit to happiness not being in the bible? The right to life is "Thou shalt not kill" Liberty is the idea of free will, exercised by Adam and every man, woman, and child after that. And don't tell me that "Yeah, but they were punished for it," because of course they were. Freedom to choose does not mean you always make the right choice.

And the pursuit of happiness, this was an idea our four fathers had about land rights which they did not fully believe in, but I'm pretty sure that "Thou shalt not kill" fills the bill there.

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

...Here, how about this:

"I say that people should have equal rights from birth to death"

That was me, saying that, just now. It is now a written reference in history, created by a human, just like everything in the bible. It automatically carries at least as much weight as the bible in any discussion on ethics. That's how reason works lads, the bible doesn't trump a thing.

^^^^^
That's how reason works?
Really? You just 'say stuff' and it automatically carries weight?

*makes mental note of the 2
names that gave your post kudos*

Looks like I get to use this pic again:

[ChildOfReason]

Sigh, I'm apparently not allowed to outright say: ¨you're a fucking moron¨

Since when? Who made that rule?

Just give up...
your arguments are just insignificant and illogical...
...shut up.

See, thats called special pleading. You havent explained WHY. Asking me to do something...just because you said so, with no other reason, isnt very persuasive. Sorry.

ChildOfReason.

¨Because I said so"
You base your entire belief on "because the bible says so"
If I asked you why homosexuality is an abomination, you'd say "because the bible says so".
Why is it that the words of the bible are more true than any other random shit I say? If I said "The flying spaghetti monster created us all" it is just as evident as you saying "god created us all". Nothing in the bible is proven, and the existence of a god has no evidence whatsoever. An argument without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

[Esquilax]

There's nothing wrong with the idea of evolution. Who's to say that a God who could do things quickly could not also do them very slowly?

Where's the evidence that a god did anything at all?

And what is this about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit to happiness not being in the bible? The right to life is "Thou shalt not kill"

Lemme just, you know, put a little asterisk up, for this:

* Unless you're of another religion, gay, unruly, a woman, in the way of god's chosen people, or alive on the planet when god decides things are too sinful.

How can you say there's a right to life in a book that contains an entire story about god killing everyone on the planet except for eight people?

Liberty is the idea of free will, exercised by Adam and every man, woman, and child after that. And don't tell me that "Yeah, but they were punished for it," because of course they were. Freedom to choose does not mean you always make the right choice.

And do you know what we would call any other self appointed punisher of men, based upon arbitrary rules, many of which offering no demonstrable harm to anyone? A dictator. I'm serious, apply those exact same qualities to a human being, and you'd find them abhorrent, and definitely in conflict with the idea of liberty.

And the pursuit of happiness, this was an idea our four fathers had about land rights which they did not fully believe in, but I'm pretty sure that "Thou shalt not kill" fills the bill there.

Unless you're a native, of another race, gay, a woman, accused of being a witch...

[Doubting Thomas]

And what is this about the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit to happiness not being in the bible? The right to life is "Thou shalt not kill"

Global flood, Onan, first-born Egyptians, Pharaoh's army, Amelikites, Sodom & Gomorrah, Lot's wife, Job's family, Jesus, etc... Seems like people have the right to life unless God changes his mind.

Liberty is the idea of free will, exercised by Adam and every man, woman, and child after that. And don't tell me that "Yeah, but they were punished for it," because of course they were. Freedom to choose does not mean you always make the right choice.

"You are free do do what you want, but if you don't do what I want you'll be punished for eternity" is not liberty, no matter how you want to spin it. Where is freedom of religion in the bible? If you worship someone other than God, you burn forever. What you and the bible consider wrong choices are considered freedoms according to the Constitution.

[Drich]

Over all the years I have been in my extremely southern right wing town schools, I have always heard ¨hints¨ to the existence of God.
However, a school teacher has gone to a new low.
Today while my class was discussing ¨To Kill a Mockingbird¨, my teacher intervened.
She asked us ¨Do you believe that all men are created equal?¨ and told us to state whether we agreed or disagreed. After all of us told her our opinion, she stated this: ¨God created all of you equal, no matter what some evil evolutionist says¨.
Sigh.
A new level of low, even for the south.

Indeed, as we are not all created equal. Paul describes us as diferent members of the same body. (Different body parts belonging to the same body.) He goes on to say some 'parts' have honorable tasks while others do not. Meaning some of us have been purposed for greatness while others a more humble position. Meaning not all 'parts' are created equal.

[Whateverist]

Indeed, as we are not all created equal. Paul describes us as diferent members of the same body. (Different body parts belonging to the same body.) He goes on to say some 'parts' have honorable tasks while others do not. Meaning some of us have been purposed for greatness while others a more humble position. Meaning not all 'parts' are created equal.

I keep sitting down on the part you are, Drich.

[Drich]

Indeed, as we are not all created equal. Paul describes us as diferent members of the same body. (Different body parts belonging to the same body.) He goes on to say some 'parts' have honorable tasks while others do not. Meaning some of us have been purposed for greatness while others a more humble position. Meaning not all 'parts' are created equal.

I keep sitting down on the part you are, Drich.

If you switch to briefs, it would help you from sitting on those/that 'part(s).'

[Faith No More]

Sigh, I'm apparently not allowed to outright say: ¨you're a fucking moron¨...

No, it's definitely allowed. I do it all the time.

If we weren't allowed that, these threads would be much shorter, and I would go insane. I need to vent.