Jacob Wrestles With God

[Esquilax]

You have things in the wrong order.
Evil is the opposite of God, it wasn't created, it had always been, it just wasn't active.
When Lucifer allowed evil to become active sin was born.
Sin made Satan, he was not created.

GC

Jesus fucking Christ, have you even read your bible?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you aren't actually a christian at all, but a crazy person with a sporadic internet connection and a chemical dependency on whatever shit your brain squirts out when you insult the intelligence of atheists.

[Lion IRC]

You see that Godschild?

It's the same way when they equivocate on the word love - as if "all" love is equal.

...I love sex. I love children. I love pets. Anyone in love should be allowed to marry.
...All cars have horns. That animal has horns. Therefore it is a car.
...Half a ham sandwich is better than nothing. Nothing is better than eternal happiness.
therefore a half a sandwich is better than eternal happiness.

The evils and calamities and hardening of hearts (and distress at not getting our own way) that God creates are NOT the same as the capital "E" Evil which exists as the ontological opposite of good on our moral compass. And which gets progressively more and more evil as our separation from God increases further and further until the point of no return - hell.

The irony is that most God-haters and anti-theists actually DO think that, ontologically, God created evil, because they routinely endorse the idea that there is no such thing as objective evil- since that would only exist IF God exists.

You can hear them all rejecting biblical concepts of evil and sin and telling Isaiah...God didn't create evil because God doesn't exist

[LastPoet]

Heh, god doesn't scare me, I have an iron chariot in my garage.

[themonkeyman]

You see that Godschild?

It's the same way when they equivocate on the word love - as if "all" love is equal.

...I love sex. I love children. I love pets. Anyone in love should be allowed to marry.
...All cars have horns. That animal has horns. Therefore it is a car.
...Half a ham sandwich is better than nothing. Nothing is better than eternal happiness.
therefore a half a sandwich is better than eternal happiness.

The evils and calamities and hardening of hearts (and distress at not getting our own way) that God creates are NOT the same as the capital "E" Evil which exists as the ontological opposite of good on our moral compass. And which gets progressively more and more evil as our separation from God increases further and further until the point of no return - hell.

The irony is that most God-haters and anti-theists actually DO think that, ontologically, God created evil, because they routinely endorse the idea that there is no such thing as objective evil- since that would only exist IF God exists.

You can hear them all rejecting biblical concepts of evil and sin and telling Isaiah...God didn't create evil because God doesn't exist

Fuck sake man you really are delusional in your speaking. You are trying to take two concepts that are known from the bible and trying to space them out from the core of the Bible.

Let me demonstrate you idiot.

Bible contains facts of (Good and Evil) outside of the Bible - Good and evil is defined as the social group norms.

These Good and Evil facts must exist somewhere and considering your bible God is everywhere and everything and created everything then it makes true that God Created Evil.

Now you can argue this away but without the Bible would a 'Biblical Version' of evil exist?

[Esquilax]

The evils and calamities and hardening of hearts (and distress at not getting our own way) that God creates are NOT the same as the capital "E" Evil which exists as the ontological opposite of good on our moral compass. And which gets progressively more and more evil as our separation from God increases further and further until the point of no return - hell.

Okay, then you should have no trouble in providing biblical references for this capitalized Evil that exists as some purposeful force equal to and as old as god, as GC indicated. I'll wait.

Also, now you're just stuck, because you're positing a god that creates and fuels lower order evils, furthering the goals of the primeval Cap E force, directly contrary to god's own goals, for... what? Funsies?

Let's say I accept that there's some separate EVIL evil that's different from god- despite such a concept only showing up in your fucking imagination- so what? Now you've just made your god's agenda about a billion times more complicated and ridiculous.

And that's quite a feat!

[Optimistic Mysanthrope]

You see that Godschild?

It's the same way when they equivocate on the word love - as if "all" love is equal.

...I love sex. I love children. I love pets. Anyone in love should be allowed to marry.
...All cars have horns. That animal has horns. Therefore it is a car.
...Half a ham sandwich is better than nothing. Nothing is better than eternal happiness.
therefore a half a sandwich is better than eternal happiness.

The evils and calamities and hardening of hearts (and distress at not getting our own way) that God creates are NOT the same as the capital "E" Evil which exists as the ontological opposite of good on our moral compass. And which gets progressively more and more evil as our separation from God increases further and further until the point of no return - hell.

The irony is that most God-haters and anti-theists actually DO think that, ontologically, God created evil, because they routinely endorse the idea that there is no such thing as objective evil- since that would only exist IF God exists.

You can hear them all rejecting biblical concepts of evil and sin and telling Isaiah...God didn't create evil because God doesn't exist

You seem to be getting close to heresy there

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Jesus fucking Christ, have you even read your bible?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
—Isaiah 45:7

I'm becoming increasingly convinced that you aren't actually a christian at all, but a crazy person with a sporadic internet connection and a chemical dependency on whatever shit your brain squirts out when you insult the intelligence of atheists.

But you're not quoting it the way that GC quotes it, Esq.



If you look hard enough you'll see GC's imagined reflection in the pages.

[Cinjin]

So much for free will huh Drich. If god don't get his way, he cripples you. (and eventually tortures you for all eternity) Sounds 'bout right.

Who said anything about free will? That is a greek based philosphy. We have a choice to make. Either to accept attonement or not. Otherwise we are all slaves to sin. Last I checked slaves don't have 'free will.'

Sometimes you actually grow on me a little Drich. You usually screw it up, but sometimes ... just once in awhile, you make me laugh with your rare brutal honesty.

"My god's a dick, deal with it."

[Drich]

"My god's a dick, deal with it."

'Dicks' are often times identified as such because of their unwillingness to compromise. God made one concession through Christ. If you are not willing to accept this concession, then you will indeed will have to simply 'deal with it.'

[Godscreated]

You have things in the wrong order.
Evil is the opposite of God, it wasn't created, it had always been, it just wasn't active.
When Lucifer allowed evil to become active sin was born.
Sin made Satan, he was not created.

GC

GC For fuck sake do you really believe that evil wasent created. So what you are actually saying is that God and Evil Co-Exist so therefore God has no control over evil as they cannot be destroyed.

Lucifer was not evil God allowed evil to occur when Adam and Evil ate the apple he could have said - Awwh well. Many people have went against God worse than eating a damned apple - Have you seen the 10 Commandments?

God does not inflict as harsh a punishment on us who ignore the 10 commandments.



GOD IS THE ALPHA AND OMEGA (According to you) BEGINNING AND END.
and
EVIL IS BEFORE ALPHA AND AFTER OMEGA ETERNAL - NOT CREATED NEVER MADE - GOD HAS NO CONTROL AS IT PREDATES HIS ENERGY.

You should learn what the scriptures say before trying to express them, what kind of reasonable person would do what you are doing.

GC