My thoughts on Religion: Christianity

[Secularone]

[fr0d0]

Haha you so funny Secularone "He is wrong" LMAO

[Samson]

Children have the right to be taught the controversy and not to be indoctrinated by their parents.

Scott, are you talking about having ID taught in Science class along side the actual "Science"??


Yes Samson, exactly, and then some.

Scott, regardless how you view Evolution or ID. Science is more than just the Theories and hypothesis ideas and results. Science is also a display of breakdowns, R&D testing in a controlled environment as well as observations and data analysis etc. etc. which are continuously updated, tested again and again for common and different results.

ID does not offer this and has nothing to do with the "Core" of Science. So why dumb down our children by putting it in their classrooms? You have to keep in mind that "IDers" are not doing what I described above. Remember...they feel they already have the answers to that which Science is still working on.......

It would be just as ludicrous as teaching Voodoo in a Mechanics shop class? In other words, it makes no sense.

[Secularone]

ID does not offer this and has nothing to do with the "Core" of Science. So why dumb down our children by putting it in their classrooms?

Because "dumb-down" is their agenda.

"Look mommy, today, I learned all about how the earth is only 6,000 years old in science class. And tomorrow, we're going to learn all about Jonah and the whale in history class."

[Mr Camel]

ID does not offer this and has nothing to do with the "Core" of Science. So why dumb down our children by putting it in their classrooms?

Because "dumb-down" is their agenda.

"Look mommy, today, I learned all about how the earth is only 6,000 years old in science class. And tomorrow, we're going to learn all about Jonah and the whale in history class."

Ok, point taken.. ID hmm not so much..
Children need to be taught science of course, but learning about the bible and religion in general is actually good because it educates them about our past and how the mind works. I didn't start learning about our religious history until my late high school years. Sure I had RE in primary but not science.. heh, I still remember my teachers getting annoyed with me for yelling out in protest at every religious teaching that didn't make sense.

[Mr Camel]

My parents are Atheist and Theist, conflict in this area is never a trouble because they respect each other's views. Funny enough, I was brought up in this environment, you know... cause they're my parents (I hope this makes it a little clearer for you). They both taught me about their views but never forced them on me; they left it up to me to decide, in fact they never told me I had to decide. Naturally, at least it seemed natural then, I chose the reasonable side; the side which actually makes sense. I could never fathom how anyone could believe in such nonsense. Overall I didn't care about the whole religion thing and could never understand why people had to fight over it. I was 10 at the time. By 16, I declared myself a Secular Humanist. I was brought up with reason, the only way any decent parents should do so.
Now on the other hand, if a child is raised by devout Christian parents, for instance, and the only “logic and reason” they teach their child is Christian faith and to interpret the Bible in not only their own twisted way, but to understand it in the child’s own way .. do you not see the potential for a corrupt and confused little child to emerge? A child who doesn’t grasp reason if it smacked them in the head. Children desperately need to understand logic and reason. It is so, so important to the human race’s survival. You’re teaching faith, not reason. You’re confusing young minds and raising them to contradict themselves at every turn. Well.. I guess, if you want them to make it to politics..

[Secularone]

Ok, point taken.. ID hmm not so much..

"Thanks to the foolishness of the "intelligent design" faction, which has tried with ignominious un-success to smuggle the teaching of creationism into our schools under a name that is plainly stupid rather than intelligent, and thanks to the ceaseless preaching of hatred and violence against our society by the fanatics of another faith, as well as other related behavior, such as the mad attempt by messianic Jews to steal the land of other people, the secular movement in the United States is acquiring a confidence that it has not known in years, while many of those who put their faith in revelation and prophecy and prayer are feeling the need to give an account of themselves. This is a wholly good development, and it is part of the pluralism and polycentrism that distinguish the sort of society that we have to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic." Christopher Hitchens, October 26, 2009 in "What I've learned from debating religious people around the world"

[Mr Camel]

With the whole education part, I mean children should be taught about religion. On top of that, reason and logic needs to be taught a lot earlier so to prevent unreasonable views. I had to wait till late high school to be properly educated in this manner.