Why Iran is hostile Israel and America?

[kılıç_mehmet]

People in Iran may love the USA. They weren't in love with USA when they deposed of the US puppet the Shah
And frankly, I would take a Mullah regime in one of my neighbors against a communist regime any day of the year, I'm glad that they were put down.
Though I do in some ways, think that without a western type democracy, Iran is still far more national in spirit than many of the countries that have a western type democracy.
I do in many ways appreciate Iran for its solid stance, yet on the other hand, I have my own reasons to hope for its demise.

[Minimalist]

Some of our hallowed leaders tell us that you hate us because you are jealous of all the hot, steaming freedom we wake up to each and every day. Also something about liberals and shariah law.

I thought they hated us because our sheep are hotter?

[kılıç_mehmet]

Well, I think its the politics though. As for freedoms and all, Iran might not have unlimited freedoms, but it sure is a lot more national in character than my country is.
We have the freedom to drink, fornicate and don't have to wear veils, but does it really matter if we have to follow the lead of the foreigners? What good is personal freedom if your economy and the will of your country is tied to another? You cannot determine your nation's fate, but you have all the personal freedoms you want to. This isn't the right way to think.

[theyear12013]

Sorry this is off topic from Iran -- but it is relevant because it highlights the geographic military challenges that underly potential Iranian rapprochement. Its about Turkey but it gets to interdependence and why Iran may have kicked the US out but still needs the US -- and so Iran may not actually be hostile to America.

Do you think Turkey needs external capital in order to continue to grow? Doesn't a military alliance with a major outside power protect the Turkish nation from Russia, the most relevant enemy whose crazy Orthodox want to take back Constantinople? Sure you would wish to be an independent and dominant power, or even a regional hegemon -- but without global economic integration its not possible, no?

Do you agree with this analysis of Turkey's geographic challenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTbTk13uik?

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The answer to the question of this larger post on Iran is in order to keep the peace amongst its various ethnic groups with low capital base (and cut off of US + Oil Capital), it requires an external enemy.

The only way out is to invite the US back in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8XySWm8NM

[A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c]

Well, I think its the politics though. As for freedoms and all, Iran might not have unlimited freedoms, but it sure is a lot more national in character than my country is.
We have the freedom to drink, fornicate and don't have to wear veils, but does it really matter if we have to follow the lead of the foreigners? What good is personal freedom if your economy and the will of your country is tied to another? You cannot determine your nation's fate, but you have all the personal freedoms you want to. This isn't the right way to think.

What you say about?!
The Iranian government do crimes against the people. We do not have freedom. we do not have Human Rights in Iran.

You have not read my article.


Now The government of Iran is the servant of the several foreign countries.
Russia,China,UAE,Turkey,England and ....

The Iranian government is oligarchy.
Each oligarch has a relationship with one country.
One's relationship with China and other with UAE and other...
Iran's relations with these countries is (lost - win) . Iran is a loser.

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Sorry this is off topic from Iran -- but it is relevant because it highlights the geographic military challenges that underly potential Iranian rapprochement. Its about Turkey but it gets to interdependence and why Iran may have kicked the US out but still needs the US -- and so Iran may not actually be hostile to America.

Do you think Turkey needs external capital in order to continue to grow? Doesn't a military alliance with a major outside power protect the Turkish nation from Russia, the most relevant enemy whose crazy Orthodox want to take back Constantinople? Sure you would wish to be an independent and dominant power, or even a regional hegemon -- but without global economic integration its not possible, no?

Do you agree with this analysis of Turkey's geographic challenge: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDTbTk13uik?

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The answer to the question of this larger post on Iran is in order to keep the peace amongst its various ethnic groups with low capital base (and cut off of US + Oil Capital), it requires an external enemy.

The only way out is to invite the US back in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bS8XySWm8NM

See Germany and France they are allied with America.
They are independent of power.
Political War superpowers no independent means.
The Iranian Mullahs have destroyed Iran by his career.
In Iran illiterate and thugs have welcomed this political war.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Do you think Turkey needs external capital in order to continue to grow? Doesn't a military alliance with a major outside power protect the Turkish nation from Russia, the most relevant enemy whose crazy Orthodox want to take back Constantinople? Sure you would wish to be an independent and dominant power, or even a regional hegemon -- but without global economic integration its not possible, no?

I watched the video, and I think that Turkey on its own is pretty much alone in the whole region. All our neighbors share a deeply rooted dislike for us due to our imperial past. We have had hostile relations with many of our neighbors in the past, including the muslim countries of Iran and Syria, not to mention Iraq, Greece, Armenia, Russia(Previously USSR), and Iran.
Some of these countries, like Iraq, Iran, Greee and Syria have houses enemies of the State, and have supported the said insurgency within our borders, and some still do.
So, where would we turn to? Not to Europe, most certainly. Not to the Arabs either, who are unreliable. Russia on the other hand, is even less reliable, and I oppose Eurasianism as in having Russia as the overlord of other countries. What I'm for is to unite us with our brethren in the Caucasus and in Central Asia.
Given our past, we see that when we Turks were able to unite, we would archive great things. And now we are the masters of landmasses with great natural resources that everyone lays their eyes upon. Why not use these for ourselves, instead of selling them cheap to others? We should bring back the Iron discipline of Motun Shanyu and the ruthlessness of Tung Yabghu Qaghan, the knowledge of Tunyuquq and the expansionism of Chingiss Khan, and with many other heroes to serve as an example to our masses, we could create a new nation that would strive to be the superiors of others in every field.

Turkey is a single country, what can it do on its own? A single arrow shall break, but a bundle of them will not.

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What you say about?!
The Iranian government do crimes against the people. We do not have freedom. we do not have Human Rights in Iran.

Well, I know, but I'm more concerned with the Turkish population that lives in Iran, which is why I oppose Iran.

Now The government of Iran is the servant of the several foreign countries.
Russia,China,UAE,Turkey,England and ....

IF Iran is a servant to Turkey, why is waving the Turkish flag in Iran banned?
Why does the Iranian government still refer to Azerbaijanis, Khorasan Turks and Turkmenes as "Turkicized Iranians"?
Iran is very hostile towards Turks and Turkey, which is why I see Iran as a potential enemy which we must fight in a near or distant future. With or without the assistance of the west, this fight will come to pass. Iran and Turan will clash as it was told in the poetry of Ferdowsi.

As for Russia and China, I'm sure they are quite interconnected, and Iran receives a lot of help from them. Our old enemies, side by side.

The Iranian government is oligarchy.
Each oligarch has a relationship with one country.
One's relationship with China and other with UAE and other...
Iran's relations with these countries is (lost - win) . Iran is a loser.

Good to hear And I thought that it was going to be a challenge of some sorts!

[A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c]

IF Iran is a servant to Turkey, why is waving the Turkish flag in Iran banned?
Why does the Iranian government still refer to Azerbaijanis, Khorasan Turks and Turkmenes as "Turkicized Iranians"?
Iran is very hostile towards Turks and Turkey, which is why I see Iran as a potential enemy which we must fight in a near or distant future. With or without the assistance of the west, this fight will come to pass. Iran and Turan will clash as it was told in the poetry of Ferdowsi.

As for Russia and China, I'm sure they are quite interconnected, and Iran receives a lot of help from them. Our old enemies, side by side.

Now in the world politics is complex and hidden.
North Korea is one of Iran's best friend. But they say God not exist and they say communist is good and theocracy is bad regime. But Iranian government say God exist and kill communists in Iran and say theocracy is good regime.
Also Bashar Assad is friend of Iran. But Assad has anti-theocracy regime and Iran has theocracy regime.

I said Iran has oligarchy regime.Each oligarchs are associated with a country.Economic interests of oligarchs, dictate cut off our relations with America. Iran has put so much money into the pockets of Turkey.
Turkey became rich from the Iran-Iraq war. Turkey was rich from cut off relations between Iran and America. Also UAE and China and Russia. Iran lost money and lost technology by cut off Relation with USA.

[kılıç_mehmet]

Rich? Where are the said riches, mate?
Besides, we Turks with our present relations with the USA, do not have the ability to enrich Uranium. With our present liberal democracy, literacy rates for women are still lower than those of Iran. And to be honest, complaining about your own country to others is a very low thing to do. Like you've presented us with what you think is the problem with Iran. What is your solution? That the NATO and the US come and take out the Mullah regime for you?
Let me tell you a story. Chingiss Khan and his Anda Jamukha made war to eachother. At the end, some of Jamukha's men were not content with the way things were going. So they betrayed Jamukha to Chingiss. Do you know what Chingiss did? He ordered his betrayers killed, as betrayal never merits any other reward but death! The lowest circle of hell is reserved for traitors.

[A-g-n-o-s-t-i-c]

Rich? Where are the said riches, mate?
Besides, we Turks with our present relations with the USA, do not have the ability to enrich Uranium. With our present liberal democracy, literacy rates for women are still lower than those of Iran. And to be honest, complaining about your own country to others is a very low thing to do. Like you've presented us with what you think is the problem with Iran. What is your solution? That the NATO and the US come and take out the Mullah regime for you?
Let me tell you a story. Chingiss Khan and his Anda Jamukha made war to eachother. At the end, some of Jamukha's men were not content with the way things were going. So they betrayed Jamukha to Chingiss. Do you know what Chingiss did? He ordered his betrayers killed, as betrayal never merits any other reward but death! The lowest circle of hell is reserved for traitors.

I did not any war request between Iran and USA and I did not disclosed any secret. I said in iran oligarchs do govern and they want cut off with USA.
Before Islamic government in Iran; Turkey was not such rich but now it is much rich.
In 2008, Turkey attracted $ 14 billion in foreign investment but Iran could fewer than 1 billion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...per_capita
please see GDP (PPP) per capita
Turkey without any OIL for sell is 68th 14812$
Iran with OIL for sell is 75th 12986$


No independent means to declare war on others.
Not independence means no alliance with superpowers.
Should be provided by national and economic interests.


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