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Alcoholics Anonymous and the like
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 (January 18, 2014 at 2:07 am)Faith No More Wrote: 12 step programs are bullshit. No, they're not. See how that works? You make a completely unsupported statement, so I make one in response. Gets us nowhere. Try again if you have something of substance to say.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.  (January 17, 2014 at 5:01 pm)k2490 Wrote: What do you all think of Anonymous support groups? Like AA Narcotics Anonymous etc?Personally I find the belief system of the 12-step program off-putting. I don't mean belief in a higher power, I mean belief that "you are powerless to control your addictions and must acknowledge that you have a disease". The 12 step program does work, however I would prefer to see an approach that is more balanced. Neither all "individual" or all "powerless to control the disease" mentalities. What is the nature of your eating problem, if you don't mind the question?
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LastPoet
 Leader of the gang of jerkoffs(tm)  Religious Views: L'Uomo verrà portato dalla sua creazione  RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the like
January 19, 2014 at 12:42 pm
(This post was last modified: January 19, 2014 at 12:45 pm by Mr Greene.)
In essence it's the churches targeting vulnerable adults for exploitation.
For alcoholics and drug users there are other groups like CAIS that offer actual counselling. With eating disorders there may some group like BEAT which is more appropriate. If you look for mental health charities they may be able to point you in the right direction. Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?-Esquilax Evolution - Adapt or be eaten. (January 19, 2014 at 12:28 pm)LastPoet Wrote:(January 18, 2014 at 12:24 pm)Chas Wrote: No, they're not. I guess you don't have any actual evidence or experience then. 
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method. 
AA substitutes one obsession for another.
I can't say if the substitute is more or less ultimatly damaging than the other. 
I think the best thing for someone with a substance abuse issue who wants help is to simply receive support from trusted family and friends, not strangers.
And when weapons were in the picture, your friend would be the bears' higher power.
I look at it similarly, I suppose. I don't believe in a God. However, I believe that any two people in a room have had experiences that the other has not. So, therefore, each person can be a higher power (of knowledge or what have you) to the other. And I think that's a good thing.
"For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring." - Carl Sagan
 RE: Alcoholics Anonymous and the like
January 20, 2014 at 12:52 am
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(January 19, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: AA substitutes one obsession for another. Less. Sorry, but I had to be the one to state the obvious this time around.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
(January 19, 2014 at 7:21 pm)Minimalist Wrote: AA substitutes one obsession for another. Nice blanket statement. Like most such, it is incorrect. While that may be true for some, it is not true for all. What's your problem with AA? You clearly have an opinion, I just wonder if it is an informed opinion.
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