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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 11:44 am
(February 3, 2014 at 11:35 am)TaraJo Wrote: I think that's kinda what happens with both jerk guys and jerk girls: they have lot of great traits on the surface,
You are missing my point that these guys attributes were not in anyway positive even on the surface, they were shit on the surface and shit deep down.
Quote:For example, my boyfriend has always complained about how the rest of the word doesn't see him as attractive and he's always down on himself, but he's also the most genuine, sweetest guy I know.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 11:47 am
(February 3, 2014 at 11:44 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 3, 2014 at 11:35 am)TaraJo Wrote: I think that's kinda what happens with both jerk guys and jerk girls: they have lot of great traits on the surface,
You are missing my point that these guys attributes were not in anyway positive even on the surface, they were shit on the surface and shit deep down.
Quote:For example, my boyfriend has always complained about how the rest of the word doesn't see him as attractive and he's always down on himself, but he's also the most genuine, sweetest guy I know.
Ah young love.
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I've had girls tell me how great jerk guys are. And this morning just had a guy tell me how great a jerk girl is. They honestly don't see it, or they see something else we don't see.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 12:41 pm
We seem to forget all the other relationships in favor of the jerky guy/girl ones.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 12:53 pm
(February 3, 2014 at 12:41 pm)Moros Synackaon Wrote: We seem to forget all the other relationships in favor of the jerky guy/girl ones.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease and the relationships with all the drama get the attention. I mean, a hollywood couple are in a long-term, monogamous relationship and the tabloids completely ignore them, but the couples that break up and get back together and cheat on each other and lie and manipulate, those are the ones the papirazi are after.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 1:52 pm
I think people are ignoring the magnitude of the friend zone.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(February 3, 2014 at 11:44 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: (February 3, 2014 at 11:35 am)TaraJo Wrote: I think that's kinda what happens with both jerk guys and jerk girls: they have lot of great traits on the surface,
You are missing my point that these guys attributes were not in anyway positive even on the surface, they were shit on the surface and shit deep down.
Quote:For example, my boyfriend has always complained about how the rest of the word doesn't see him as attractive and he's always down on himself, but he's also the most genuine, sweetest guy I know.
Ah young love.
I think to settle the argument with you and tara, you have to realize that women see things differently then men and despite the fact that every half decent guy in the town might know this guy is a douche a woman may not see that.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 3:16 pm
The main driving factor of a man's sexiness is confidence, there are other attributes too but confidence is the engine. If you fall into the friend zone, chances are you replaced confidence with niceness and that does not make you attractive to women. And the reason that men replace niceness is because women tell men they want a nice guy, but as a guy you cannot listen to that. Do not take advice on getting women from women, it's shitty advice. I cannot begin to tell you how many times I've heard "I just want a nice guy that treats me right" and then watch the girl walk out with a douche that has a neck tattoo of an AK-47 that's talking about how her head is shaped weird.
You will never be able to friend your way into a girl's bed. To my fellow men that keep getting friend zoned, you honestly just have to stop caring what she thinks. Being nice implies that you want her approval of you, and men that are overly nice tend to get friend zoned. If you are trying to get her approval it makes you look like a bitch. She wants a man that doesn't care for the approval of anyone, including herself.
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February 3, 2014 at 3:48 pm
Confidence and niceness are not mutually exclusive. The truth is if you're just being nice to get into someone's pants it's very obvious and not attractive because it doesn't feel honest. But what do I know about what I want, I'm a girl.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 4:15 pm
I've been with my girlfriend for almost 6 years, I'm very nice to her and she's definitely my best friend. Before we even started dating she thought I was pretty mean, which I kinda was, but she was also equally mean. Anyways, we had mutual friends and ended up at a lot of places together, when we actually started talking we pretty much found that our personalities clicked and could make each other laugh. I guess what I'm trying to say is,being nice is something that can done, or easily changed. Confidence and good personality are much more desirable traits, if you really like someone your gonna be nice, there's just certain traits that can't be as easily turned off or on.
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RE: Just ugh!
February 3, 2014 at 5:12 pm
I think the thing a lot of people miss when they get angry about people talking about being friend zoned is its not all about sex. Its often about a closer relationship with that person that you don't get being friends, of course that later includes sex but I'm pretty sure we all know that being in that kind of relationship isn't only about sex. Well at lease I hope so 0_o
I've never really been in the friend zone, don't get my wrong I've liked people who haven't liked me but it never really bothered me. I've accidently friend zoned a few girls and felt awful when I realised. One girl followed me around almost everywhere for like a year, I thought she just didn't have any friends.. Its usually only obvious if its pointed out when you assume somebody is just your friend. So the people that moan about being friend zoned that haven't actually told the person that they like them then stop moaning and get the fuck on with it.
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