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An apology in advance
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(February 5, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: After 6 days of cold turkey, I think I'm over the physical addiction. All I'm left with is kicking the habit - those times when I would have a smoke just out of custom more than anything.

I don't think beating the physical addiction is as simple as that, because mental triggers can always cause a physical craving, at least that's been my experience. Sure, you won't feel that withdrawal sickness, but you still have to deal with physical temptation.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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#22
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(February 5, 2014 at 1:04 pm)whateverist Wrote: Congratulations on your timely illness?

ROFLOL

It's good. Focus on that feeling.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken."
Sith code
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#23
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Another thing about quitting smokes is the craving for food.
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#24
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(February 5, 2014 at 12:31 am)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: I apologize in advance if I am uncharacteristically snarky or irritable over the next few weeks.

I quit smoking tobacco on January 30th - it's been 5 days since my last fix of nicotine. Some may remember that I had quit back at the end of 2012, but it didn't take - I made the mistake of thinking I could have a cigarette or two occasionally. Yeah, right.

I've quit many times. Har har.

I know it's a joke, but just remember that if you don't succeed, you can always try again. There's a saying that the measure of someone is not how many times they fall, but how many times they pick themselves up again. If you find yourself back smoking. Don't get down on yourself, just get back and quit again. I lost count of how many times I quit, but now I'm successfully quit for over 4 years.



(February 5, 2014 at 12:47 am)Cato Wrote: I recently read an article that posits that its difficult to temper current behavior based on long term effects, whether health realted or saving for retirement, because we consider our future self as someone else.

Found it...
http://nautil.us/issue/9/time/why-we-procrastinate

Quote: Parfit’s view was controversial even among philosophers. But psychologists are beginning to understand that it may accurately describe our attitudes towards our own decision-making: It turns out that we see our future selves as strangers. Though we will inevitably share their fates, the people we will become in a decade, quarter century, or more, are unknown to us.


Thank you. That gives me a lot to think about. Theory of consciousness is probably my main object, but theory of self is an interesting sidelight. I recently, a few months back, came to the conclusion that we have multiple "selves," each being called upon when we think in different domains. Thus the self we think about when thinking sexually is different than the one we think about when we consider our history, and so on. Your article adds some depth to that in terms of possible explanations for the results concerning future selves. Off the top of my head, this resonates with the work on "theory of mind" such as the work done by Jesse Bering, that perhaps when we think of our future selves, we are actually using the beliefs about other minds circuitry, unlike thinking about ourselves otherwise. That would explain why the pattern of brain activity is what it is. If I remember correctly, the medial PFC is known to have specific roles, but I forget what they are.

Anyway, thanks for a fascinating article.


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(February 5, 2014 at 2:09 pm)Faith No More Wrote:
(February 5, 2014 at 12:39 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: After 6 days of cold turkey, I think I'm over the physical addiction. All I'm left with is kicking the habit - those times when I would have a smoke just out of custom more than anything.

I don't think beating the physical addiction is as simple as that, because mental triggers can always cause a physical craving, at least that's been my experience. Sure, you won't feel that withdrawal sickness, but you still have to deal with physical temptation.

Oh sure, of course. I file those mental triggers under the psychological aspect of the addiction. All I meant was that my body is no longer screaming GIMMENICOTINERIGHTFUCKINGNOW!
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(February 5, 2014 at 2:34 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Another thing about quitting smokes is the craving for food.

That's not a good thing - I need to lose weight too!
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(February 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm)rasetsu Wrote: I know it's a joke, but just remember that if you don't succeed, you can always try again. There's a saying that the measure of someone is not how many times they fall, but how many times they pick themselves up again. If you find yourself back smoking. Don't get down on yourself, just get back and quit again. I lost count of how many times I quit, but now I'm successfully quit for over 4 years.

Thanks - you're absolutely right.

I've been there before - I quit for two years back in the 90's, and for over a month last year - and then there are the times where I quit for anywhere from a couple of days to weeks that I can scarcely remember.
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(February 5, 2014 at 2:35 pm)rasetsu Wrote:
(February 5, 2014 at 12:47 am)Cato Wrote: I recently read an article that posits that its difficult to temper current behavior based on long term effects, whether health realted or saving for retirement, because we consider our future self as someone else.

Found it...
http://nautil.us/issue/9/time/why-we-procrastinate


Thank you. That gives me a lot to think about. Theory of consciousness is probably my main object, but theory of self is an interesting sidelight. I recently, a few months back, came to the conclusion that we have multiple "selves," each being called upon when we think in different domains. Thus the self we think about when thinking sexually is different than the one we think about when we consider our history, and so on. Your article adds some depth to that in terms of possible explanations for the results concerning future selves. Off the top of my head, this resonates with the work on "theory of mind" such as the work done by Jesse Bering, that perhaps when we think of our future selves, we are actually using the beliefs about other minds circuitry, unlike thinking about ourselves otherwise. That would explain why the pattern of brain activity is what it is. If I remember correctly, the medial PFC is known to have specific roles, but I forget what they are.

Anyway, thanks for a fascinating article.



Ah here it is. Was wanting to get back here and read that article. I suspect that consciousness is entirely fragmentary. I think it is entirely likely that whatever consciousness we enjoy is built up upon a much more primitive model in which an organism is drawn to what feeds it or keeps it safe and repulsed by that which threatens or fails to nurture it. By far most of our consciousness is independent of our conscious minds. And for much the same reason that the autonomic system is dedicated to maintaining essential physiological systems. We didn't evolve to entertain existential questions. We evolved to survive.

Living in societies of creatures as complex as ourselves probably led to our developing a conscious mind capable of considering hypotheticals. But I think they exist as a survival mechanism for our greater organism rather than the other way around. I lean toward thinking the whole is greater than any of its parts so I'm as interested in knowing the dispositions of my greater organism as I am in satisfying the druthers of my conscious mind.

Anyhow, it is a huge topic and I also find it the most fascinating of questions. Now to read that article.
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#29
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CD, you have all my best wishes for success. As someone who's done it twice, I know very well what you are going through. First time I quit for 14 years, then thought I could get away with one here and there... nnnnnnnnnnnope. Quit for the second time about 11 years ago and now know I can NEVER, EVER have one again (unless I decide to die from them).

You're through the physical cravings part... I personally found the 72-hour thing to be fairly accurate. But I also found that making my peace with the HABIT -- the emotional attachment -- a little harder to do. I couldn't talk on the phone with my closest friend for about a year, because our practice had been to line up a pot of coffee each, place the pack of cigs in front of us, talk like made things and chain 'em like Irish playwrights. Just be aware of your triggers and figure out something else to do. I found deep breathing particularly helpful.

Hang in there. As you already know, soon you will feel so much better!!!

Hugs to you, Rae
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Hey CD, I did it nearly 20 years ago, I'm so glad I did, it's worth the physical and mental pain, it really is. It does take longer than a few days to kick the physical addiction, the mental can be difficult. To over come the mental I keep plastic wire ties with me to chew on and that helped a lot, it became my mental solution. The reason I used them was because they lasted forever, I usually lost one before chewing it up and they are cheaper than gum with no health problems as long as you don't swallow oneConfused Fall.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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