Abul Ala Al-Maarri

[God Is Not Gr8]

Al-Marri was a great Philosopher/Poet of the Arab world lived in Syria in the 973 AD. yet more than a thousand years of his death ignorant Muslims beheaded the statue of Al Ma'arri cause he criticized their ass of an prophet Muhammad that show how stupid religion is.

O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold
Are but a cheat contrived by men of old,
Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust
And died in baseness—and their law is dust.

Al-Maarri

[Mr. Moncrieff]

You mean he dared suggest that Islam was a theocratic invention manipulated as a vehicle to forward war and conquest by means of divine right?

The cheek.

[God Is Not Gr8]

You mean he dared suggest that Islam was a theocratic invention manipulated as a vehicle to forward war and conquest by means of divine right?

The cheek.

of course he saw the non-sense in religion at all not only Islam, and how religion was used to control weak minded or poor uneducated people of the time back then! by the way he was BLIND!

[Mr. Moncrieff]

he was BLIND!

Therein lies such a beautifully succinct notion that it renders such a philosophy as to be even more efficacious.

[KichigaiNeko]

What is hilarious is that self same Islamists will claim profound philosophical insight and science ......but not from those fucking educated Persians!

[DeistPaladin]

Welcome. Stop by the "Introductions" section and tell us a little of yourself.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Al-Marri was a great Philosopher/Poet of the Arab world lived in Syria in the 973 AD. yet more than a thousand years of his death ignorant Muslims beheaded the statue of Al Ma'arri cause he criticized their ass of an prophet Muhammad that show how stupid religion is.

O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold
Are but a cheat contrived by men of old,
Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust
And died in baseness—and their law is dust.

Al-Maarri

Is there any verifiable evidence that the Mohammed character as depicted in Islamic literature actually existed? Or was he simply the creation of Uthman and his committee?

[Minimalist]

Al-Marri was a great Philosopher/Poet of the Arab world lived in Syria in the 973 AD. yet more than a thousand years of his death ignorant Muslims beheaded the statue of Al Ma'arri cause he criticized their ass of an prophet Muhammad that show how stupid religion is.

O fools, awake! The rites you sacred hold
Are but a cheat contrived by men of old,
Who lusted after wealth and gained their lust
And died in baseness—and their law is dust.

Al-Maarri

Is there any verifiable evidence that the Mohammed character as depicted in Islamic literature actually existed? Or was he simply the creation of Uthman and his committee?

Read Robert Spencer's "Did Muhammad Exist."

[Mr. Moncrieff]

After pursuing various issues, Robert Spencer sums up what we know about the traditional account of Muhammad’s life and the early days of Islam...

No record of Muhammad’s reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur’an. They call the conquerors “Ishmaelites,” “Saracens,” “Muhajirun,” and “Hagarians” but never “Muslims.”

The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don’t mention Islam or the Qur’an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of “Muhammad” are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name but also as an honorific.

The Qur’an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650’s. Contradicting that standard account is the fact that neither the Arabian nor the Christians and Jews in the region mention the Qur’an until the early eighth century.

During the reign of the caliph Muawiya (661-680), the Arabs constructed at least one public building whose inscription was headed by a cross.

We begin hearing about Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, and about Islam itself in the 690’s, during the reign of the caliph Abd al-Malik. Coins and inscriptions reflecting Islamic beliefs begin to appear at this time also.

Around the same time, Arabic became the predominant written language of the Arabian Empire, supplanting Syriac and Greek.

Abd al-Malik claimed, in a passing remark in one hadith, to have collected the Qur’an, contradicting Islamic tradition that the collection was the work of the caliph Uthman forty years earlier.

Multiple hadiths report that Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, governor of Iraq during the reign of Abd al-Malik, edited the Qur’an and distributed his new edition to the various Arab-controlled provinces--- again, something Uthman is supposed to have done decades earlier.

Even some Islamic traditions maintain that certain common Islamic practices, such as the recitation of the Qur’an during mosque prayers, date from orders of Hajjaj ibn Yusuf, not to the earlier period of Islamic history.

In the middle of the eighth century, the Abbasid dynastic supplanted the Umayyad line of Abd al-Malik. The Abbasids charged the Umayyads with impiety on a large scale. In the Abbasid period, biographical material about Mohammed began to proliferate. The first complete biography of the prophet of Islam finally appeared during this era—at least 125 years after the traditional date of his death.

The biographical material that emerged situates Muhammad in an area of Arabia that never was the center for trade and pilgrimage that the canonical Islamic account of Islam’s origin depend on it to be. (pp.205-206)

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I think Mohammed was a fictional character created to be the face of Islam just like Jesus was created to be the face of Christianity and Moses to be the face of Judaism.