The redneck strike again.

[Little Rik]

Or you don't pay any attention to what i say or you write things while thinking at the fairy.
It is obvious that we can not deny that man in the far past was hunting and eating meat.
There is evidence of that.
But there is also evidence that people eat fruits, nuts and other things.

So in other words, there is evidence that humans are omnivores. I get the impression that it's not us who aren't paying attention to what you're writing.

We already went through this topic.
You come a bit late mate.
The fact that man in the past was eating meat doesn't mean that we are omnivore.
People steals, kill, pick their noses and do so many ugly things but that doesn't mean that man is a thief, a murderer or an asshole by nature.

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The spiritual side of meat eating and comparing eating meat to abusing narcotics? Sounds completely reasonable to me.

Considering that meat is addictive it create a lot of problems not just for those addicted but for everybody else.
http://www.occupyforanimals.org/why-meat...ctive.html

[The Grand Nudger]

You don't respect your own beliefs enough to do the gruntwork. Fine. This is a waste of time. A'dios.

[FatAndFaithless]

You don't respect your own beliefs enough to do the gruntwork. Fine. This is a waste of time. A'dios.

Certainly seems like it.

[Confused Ape]

People steals, kill, pick their noses and do so many ugly things but that doesn't mean that man is a thief, a murderer or an asshole by nature.

I think the state of the world shows that humans as a species are definitely assholes by nature.

PS: The UN thinks eating insects is the answer to food shortages.

UN urges people to eat insects to fight world hunger

Insects are also "extremely efficient" in converting feed into edible meat. Crickets, for example, need 12 times less feed than cattle to produce the same amount of protein, according to the report.

[Little Rik]

People steals, kill, pick their noses and do so many ugly things but that doesn't mean that man is a thief, a murderer or an asshole by nature.

I think the state of the world shows that humans as a species are definitely assholes by nature.

Not really.
Mother nature sort of give you a cart with 3 horses.
The physical, the mental and the spiritual.
If you feed them properly they will take the cart straight towards the goal of life.
If on the other hand you feed only one or two then there is no way that the cart can proceed straight as the horse or the two horses that haven't been fed will not be able to pull the cart properly.
The reason why we got so much trouble and wars is because most of the people are materialist minded totally neglecting the spiritual side.
So this has nothing to do with mother nature.
She provide with everything we need to go ahead.
It is rather us that don't use what mother nature provide us with.


PS: The UN thinks eating insects is the answer to food shortages.
UN urges people to eat insects to fight world hunger

Insects are also "extremely efficient" in converting feed into edible meat. Crickets, for example, need 12 times less feed than cattle to produce the same amount of protein, according to the report.

Even the excrement got a lot of proteins and that item require less effort to collect than insect.

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You don't respect your own beliefs enough to do the gruntwork. Fine. This is a waste of time. A'dios.

You should pay more attention to what i say.
If i say that man in the past was eating meat that does not means that man is omnivore.
I never believe that man was or is omnivore so you can't really interpret my words to suit your agenda and then get upset when i show you your shortcoming.

[Tonus]

We already went through this topic.
You come a bit late mate.
The fact that man in the past was eating meat doesn't mean that we are omnivore.

Errr... yeah, it does.

People steals, kill, pick their noses and do so many ugly things but that doesn't mean that man is a thief, a murderer or an asshole by nature.

Conversely, just because some people don't steal, kill, or pick their noses doesn't mean it's not part of our nature. It just means that most of us find it preferable and more rewarding to cooperate with one another. You can find it preferable to avoid eating meat, but that doesn't mean it isn't part of our nature. I realize I'm pointing out the obvious to a brick wall, but that's a terrible argument you're making.

[Confused Ape]

If i say that man in the past was eating meat that does not means that man is omnivore.

Yes it does.

I never believe that man was or is omnivore so you can't really interpret my words to suit your agenda and then get upset when i show you your shortcoming.

I shall go by all the evidence that humans were and are omnivores and I'm not the only vegetarian to do so. You can carry on believing that humans aren't omnivores even though we and our ancestors have been eating meat for millions of years.

How did our early ancestors get meat seeing as we aren't built like lions?

ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIA ART & CULTURE CENTRE - ALICE SPRINGS - 100% Aboriginal owned & operated

Women were primarily the gatherers of vegetables, roots, herbs, fruits and nuts, eggs and honey, and small land animals such as Snakes, Goannas. Men were the hunters of large land animals and birds and also co-operated to organise large-scale hunting drives to catch Emu's and Kangaroos.

In the dim and distant past we would have caught small game like lizards and eaten termites and other insects. Then there's scavenging.

Man's Early Huntin Role In Doubt

Many of the bones bear both cut-marks from primitive stone tools and the tooth marks of animals. When the researchers compared these with marks on bones made in modern experiments, they found that the pattern of marks and the mix of bones were similar to those left by human scavengers (see graphic).

This suggests that early humans drove other predators away from freshly killed carcasses - a view now gaining support among palaeoanthropologists. But O'Connell's team went a step further. They wanted to know what kind of a living early African Homo erectus made if in fact they were scavengers, not hunters.

The Hadza people today scavenge avidly in the same way, and studies in the late 1980s noted that they found an average of one carcass every two to three weeks. Based on that observation, the team estimated that early humans might have picked up a carcass every few days in the wettest areas, but in drier areas might have got as little as one a month: nowhere near enough to live on.

Apes are tool users and humans used Stone Tools.

The earliest stone tools in the life span of the genus Homo are Mode 1 tools,[2] and come from what has been termed the Oldowan Industry, named after the type of site (many sites, actually) found in Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, where they were discovered in large quantities. Oldowan tools were characterised by their simple construction, predominantly using core forms. These cores were river pebbles, or rocks similar to them, that had been struck by a spherical hammerstone to cause conchoidal fractures removing flakes from one surface, creating an edge and often a sharp tip. The blunt end is the proximal surface; the sharp, the distal. Oldowan is a percussion technology. Grasping the proximal surface, the hominid brought the distal surface down hard on an object he wished to detach or shatter, such as a bone or tuber.

The earliest evidence of stone tool use dates to 3.4 million years ago. Grooved and fractured bone fossils were found in Dikika near the remains of Selam, an australopithecine like Lucy.[3][4] But the earliest known Oldowan tools yet found date from 2.6 million years ago, during the Lower Palaeolithic period, and have been uncovered at Gona in Ethiopia.[5] After this date, the Oldowan Industry subsequently spread throughout much of Africa, although archaeologists are currently unsure which Hominan species first developed them, with some speculating that it was Australopithecus garhi, and others believing that it was in fact Homo habilis.[6] Homo habilis was the hominin who used the tools for most of the Oldowan in Africa, but at about 1.9-1.8 million years ago Homo erectus inherited them. The Industry flourished in southern and eastern Africa between 2.6 and 1.7 million years ago, but was also spread out of Africa and into Eurasia by travelling bands of H. erectus, who took it as far east as Java by 1.8 million years ago and Northern China by 1.6 million years ago.

Later on humans invented spears and bows so they were able to kill larger game.

[FatAndFaithless]

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If i say that man in the past was eating meat that does not means that man is omnivore.

Yes it does.

I never believe that man was or is omnivore so you can't really interpret my words to suit your agenda and then get upset when i show you your shortcoming.

I shall go by all the evidence that humans were and are omnivores and I'm not the only vegetarian to do so. You can carry on believing that humans aren't omnivores even though we and our ancestors have been eating meat for millions of years.

How did our early ancestors get meat seeing as we aren't built like lions?

ABORIGINAL AUSTRALIA ART & CULTURE CENTRE - ALICE SPRINGS - 100% Aboriginal owned & operated

Women were primarily the gatherers of vegetables, roots, herbs, fruits and nuts, eggs and honey, and small land animals such as Snakes, Goannas. Men were the hunters of large land animals and birds and also co-operated to organise large-scale hunting drives to catch Emu's and Kangaroos.

In the dim and distant past we would have caught small game like lizards and eaten termites and other insects. Then there's scavenging.

Man's Early Huntin Role In Doubt

Many of the bones bear both cut-marks from primitive stone tools and the tooth marks of animals. When the researchers compared these with marks on bones made in modern experiments, they found that the pattern of marks and the mix of bones were similar to those left by human scavengers (see graphic).

This suggests that early humans drove other predators away from freshly killed carcasses - a view now gaining support among palaeoanthropologists. But O'Connell's team went a step further. They wanted to know what kind of a living early African Homo erectus made if in fact they were scavengers, not hunters.

The Hadza people today scavenge avidly in the same way, and studies in the late 1980s noted that they found an average of one carcass every two to three weeks. Based on that observation, the team estimated that early humans might have picked up a carcass every few days in the wettest areas, but in drier areas might have got as little as one a month: nowhere near enough to live on.

Apes are tool users and humans used Stone Tools.

The earliest stone tools in the life span of the genus Homo are Mode 1 tools,[2] and come from what has been termed the Oldowan Industry, named after the type of site (many sites, actually) found in Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, where they were discovered in large quantities. Oldowan tools were characterised by their simple construction, predominantly using core forms. These cores were river pebbles, or rocks similar to them, that had been struck by a spherical hammerstone to cause conchoidal fractures removing flakes from one surface, creating an edge and often a sharp tip. The blunt end is the proximal surface; the sharp, the distal. Oldowan is a percussion technology. Grasping the proximal surface, the hominid brought the distal surface down hard on an object he wished to detach or shatter, such as a bone or tuber.

The earliest evidence of stone tool use dates to 3.4 million years ago. Grooved and fractured bone fossils were found in Dikika near the remains of Selam, an australopithecine like Lucy.[3][4] But the earliest known Oldowan tools yet found date from 2.6 million years ago, during the Lower Palaeolithic period, and have been uncovered at Gona in Ethiopia.[5] After this date, the Oldowan Industry subsequently spread throughout much of Africa, although archaeologists are currently unsure which Hominan species first developed them, with some speculating that it was Australopithecus garhi, and others believing that it was in fact Homo habilis.[6] Homo habilis was the hominin who used the tools for most of the Oldowan in Africa, but at about 1.9-1.8 million years ago Homo erectus inherited them. The Industry flourished in southern and eastern Africa between 2.6 and 1.7 million years ago, but was also spread out of Africa and into Eurasia by travelling bands of H. erectus, who took it as far east as Java by 1.8 million years ago and Northern China by 1.6 million years ago.

Later on humans invented spears and bows so they were able to kill larger game.

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I don't think I understand what Riketto's problem is with the fact that humans are/were evolutionarily conditioned to be able to eat both meat and plants.

[The Grand Nudger]

People often have trouble confronting whatever it is within themselves that they find distasteful.

[Whateverist]

.. and others, like L'l Ricky here, just have trouble believing anything which isn't a certified fact regardless of what arguments and facts anyone else may care to mention. Whatever doesn't fall into place is explained away as irrelevant, a lie or just the unenlightened blindness of the un-elect.

We are really so lucky that he deigns to cast his lofty pearls our way.[/sarcasm]