The redneck strike again.

[Confused Ape]

To me everything boil down to the fact that without spirituality there can not be any progress so the word psychology is only a way to express how the progress go nothing else really.

Agreed. The map is not the journey, only an aid to travelling.

Taking care of the world in which we are living and of all his creatures is already something very important but it is also very important to take care of our spiritual progress so a balance between the two is the best.

Agreed, however one defines the spiritual. I pointed out the spiritual aspect of deep ecology which involves developing an intuitive awareness of the fact that we are not just part of the universe but the universe is within us. I think of it in terms of right brain perception. (Remember the Jill Bolte Taylor video?) If you want to interpret this as God being within everything rather than just the universe being within everything, that's fine with me. The Ananda Marga concept of God is very different to the God of the Bible.

A.M. symbol is the best explanation of this concept.

http://www.religionfacts.com/hinduism/sy...pratik.htm

Thank you for the link.

Your brain can not possibly produce anything.
It is like to say that the car that you use to go from point A to point B produce something.
It is you that direct your brain to act so with the help of your brain you are capable of getting somewhere.

The brain is definitely involved because neuroscience has shown that something happens in the brains of people who have religious/spiritual experiences. If you took an hallucinogenic substance your brain would start producing hallucinations.

The mind is like a mad monkey that has got to get under control otherwise you get lost in an ocean of things that are not of any help.

Agreed. This is why I use Eckhart Tolle's exercise to detach myself from all those thoughts that keep whizzing through my head. "It's a nice day but not as warm as when I was on holiday. Except for the last day, of course, when I visited the Doctor Who Experience. The new series of Doctor Who is starting soon. I wonder what the new Doctor will be like." If I hadn't realised I was doing it and stopped myself I would have been oblivious to the nice day because my thoughts would have continued rambling on about Doctor Who.

When people give so much importance to the mind and not to the fact that is not the mind what generate the real progress then i don't really believe them and give importance to what they say.
Just a waste of time.

Er.. so you are saying that Sarkar was wrong for wanting people to learn the psychology of humans and non-human animates? Why does the educational branch of Ananda Marga include intellectual subjects for students to study?

Thoughts Of PR Sarkar

In every sphere of life – social, economic, mental and spiritual – making human beings conscious of their rights leads to the expansion of knowledge, and the full application of these rights is called the cultivation of science. Neglected people who, for whatever reasons, have not pursued knowledge and science, should be given full opportunities. There should be no discrimination.

Nobody learns anything, though, if the mind is rushing around like a mad monkey. There's no point in attending a lecture if we're just going to stare at the wall and let our thoughts ramble on about nothing in particular.

When i don't know what people think at i tend not to judge them.

I can see your point here but this is a discussion forum where people are supposed to explain what they mean. You mentioned service in passing somewhere but didn't explain how it really applied to the Andanda Marga path. When you kept going on about Karmic Law and what Sarkar taught about it, it gave the impression that the Andanda Marga philosophy is too concerned with what people got up to in their past lives.

When I did a bit of research it turned out that it's nothing like it came across in your posts. I can understand if you don't want to go into great detail about what you do in your personal life but a link to a few articles about service and how it relates to Ananda Marga spirituality would have avoided this misunderstanding.

I talk about Prout ages ago in different threads but as i realized that people were not interested at then i stopped mentioning again.

I didn't see those threads. It's certainly a very interesting idea and a great deal of thought has gone into working out the details. The proposed system made me think of Star Trek's Earth society with spiritual practise instead of replicators. Please don't think I'm poking fun of it here. If we ever do develop a global economic and social system which isn't based on consumerism and is fair for all it will probably be something along the lines of PROUT. It's also more realistic than Star Trek because it's unlikely that anyone is going to invent replicators. We'll have to produce food and goods by traditional methods.

In past thread i also explained why spirituality is important but again as i realized that people where not interested in the issue i stop mention it.

Well, you can talk about it in this thread because I'm interested in the Ananda Marga philosophy even though I don't believe in a lot of the things that you believe in.

You don't succeed because you rush to quick conclusion that is why i did suggest you to slow down.

You keep saying I'm rushing to quick conclusions but my conclusions are based on the information you put in your posts and how you present this information. When I misinterpret what you mean, all you have to do is explain where I went wrong and make it clear what you really meant.

[Little Rik]

Agreed, however one defines the spiritual. I pointed out the spiritual aspect of deep ecology which involves developing an intuitive awareness of the fact that we are not just part of the universe but the universe is within us. I think of it in terms of right brain perception. (Remember the Jill Bolte Taylor video?) If you want to interpret this as God being within everything rather than just the universe being within everything, that's fine with me. The Ananda Marga concept of God is very different to the God of the Bible.

For the Bible God is external which doesn't make any sense to me but we also have to take into account the fact that the Bible has been vandalized by the continue Re-writing and RE-interpreted so many times by so many people with different agenda so it may well be that the original writing may be similar or the same to what i now believe.

The brain is definitely involved because neuroscience has shown that something happens in the brains of people who have religious/spiritual experiences. If you took an hallucinogenic substance your brain would start producing hallucinations.

The brain is involved as it would be involved your car in the process to take you from point A to point B.

Er.. so you are saying that Sarkar was wrong for wanting people to learn the psychology of humans and non-human animates? Why does the educational branch of Ananda Marga include intellectual subjects for students to study?

You don't really need to go to school to learn psychology.
The knowledge is already within.
All you need to do is to open the valve that allow this knowledge to flow out into your consciousness.
Of course you also can do it by going to school but the best way is to do within by practicing spirituality.
Sarkar say that psychology is important but it did not say that by going to school is the only way to get this knowledge.
You once again draw your conclusions without really understand the whole issue.

I can see your point here but this is a discussion forum where people are supposed to explain what they mean. You mentioned service in passing somewhere but didn't explain how it really applied to the Andanda Marga path. When you kept going on about Karmic Law and what Sarkar taught about it, it gave the impression that the Andanda Marga philosophy is too concerned with what people got up to in their past lives.

Not really.
Sarkar say time and time again not to look behind but instead look ahead.

When I did a bit of research it turned out that it's nothing like it came across in your posts. I can understand if you don't want to go into great detail about what you do in your personal life but a link to a few articles about service and how it relates to Ananda Marga spirituality would have avoided this misunderstanding.

AM. has been persecuted since the day that Sarkar gave the Prout system.
The India gov. told him very clearly......teach as much meditation as you wish but forget about Prout.
Many teachers and followers ended up in jail included Sarkar and several got killed just because the Indian corrupted gov. didn't want to give up the corrupted system that Prout would have ended so also the service to humanity has been reduced to a trickle.
India convinced many other gov. that AM is dangerous so everything for AM has always been very difficult.
Other yoga groups have prosper because they never came up with a different political-economic system that would put and end to corruption and all other evils in gov. around the world.

I didn't see those threads. It's certainly a very interesting idea and a great deal of thought has gone into working out the details. The proposed system made me think of Star Trek's Earth society with spiritual practise instead of replicators. Please don't think I'm poking fun of it here. If we ever do develop a global economic and social system which isn't based on consumerism and is fair for all it will probably be something along the lines of PROUT. It's also more realistic than Star Trek because it's unlikely that anyone is going to invent replicators. We'll have to produce food and goods by traditional methods.

One day we may well feed on one tablet a day so gathering food may be a thing of the past.
In the meantime we will have to deal with all evils that prevent real progress.

Well, you can talk about it in this thread because I'm interested in the Ananda Marga philosophy even though I don't believe in a lot of the things that you believe in.

You ask a question and i will answer time permitted especially now that i will be away for a while.

You keep saying I'm rushing to quick conclusions but my conclusions are based on the information you put in your posts and how you present this information. When I misinterpret what you mean, all you have to do is explain where I went wrong and make it clear what you really meant.

I will try harder to explain.

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Thanks once again for your important input.
We couldn't do without you mate.
Anyway i would like to ask you (if you allow of course) one philosophical question that for me inhabitant of the low stratum of this low caste forum is very important to understand but for you that belong to the high caste philosophy forum wouldn't be a problem.
Now i have been thinking about where the search for knowledge and peace of mind may lead to.
It is possible that with the physical death this search will be cut short or may continue somewhere later on?
To me this cut short it is like if i travel (eg) from Brisbane to Sydney and half way through i am prevented from reaching Sydney.
It just doesn't make any sense to me but i certainly be wrong that is why i need your help to understand this important issue.

[Whateverist]

Hello Riketto. How are you today? Just checking in so I thought I'd stop into the weird-shit ghetto they put your thread in and say hello. Got to run now. Have a good one.

[Cyberman]

Incidentally, am I the only one who reads ricky's posts and just hears the "wah-wa-wah" voice of Charlie Brown's teacher?

[FatAndFaithless]

Incidentally, am I the only one who reads ricky's posts and just hears the "wah-wa-wah" voice of Charlie Brown's teacher?

Always comes off a bit more energetic than that, for me. I still think about the Liar Liar scene where Jim Carrey just starts shouting gibberish and waggling his tongue at the other people.

[Little Rik]

Incidentally, am I the only one who reads ricky's posts and just hears the "wah-wa-wah" voice of Charlie Brown's teacher?

How are you mate?
First of all thanks very much for paying a visit to my thread.
I just need good mates like you that keep on adding so much important input.
Now here we are again.
I just need some more help from you.
I spent a lot of time recently try to find a single post in the philosophy forum that is really related to philosophy but i couldn't find any.
Of course my sight these days is not very good so i must have missed the real meaning of the posts in question.
Can you please let me know where these posts are.
Oh, by the way i got a lot of kudos that i stored in my bag.
I kept all for you because i know how eager you are to get more kudos.
What i would do for a mate.

[Cyberman]

When you say you can't find a single post related to philosophy, are you including your own in that?

Like everyone else does.

[Tonus]

Funny how that works, when you redefine a term to mean whatever you want it to, and the rest of the world doesn't give a damn.

[Whateverist]

Wait, did you mean the philosophy sub-forum devoted to the true meaning of philosophy as defined by Rikky or just the academic sort of philosophy? Because we definitely have that one. In common parlance philosophy is often used to stand for ones creed or most basic system of beliefs. So you'll also find threads of that sort there. You might argue that yours deserves its place there on that basis. But this neighborhood seems the more appropriate setting to me.

[Little Rik]

Wait, did you mean the philosophy sub-forum devoted to the true meaning of philosophy as defined by Rikky or just the academic sort of philosophy? Because we definitely have that one. In common parlance philosophy is often used to stand for ones creed or most basic system of beliefs. So you'll also find threads of that sort there. You might argue that yours deserves its place there on that basis. But this neighborhood seems the more appropriate setting to me.

I do understand very well what make sense and what doesn't according to you guys.
I also do understand that to a smoker or a drinker does make sense to smoke or drink.
Unfortunately when you reach a stage in which the mind get twisted with the wrong idea the wrong become right.
It happen all the time.
The creed and belief are most often own interpretation of the truth.
Eg. take the Taliban or the Is.
They think that the truth is to chop those who refuse to convert their neck off.
Philosophy can not be interpreted any way so there is no room for creed or belief.
If you prevent the free flow of a river everything get changed.
The truth is one for everybody and that is the end of the story so when you come up with creed or interpretation you show once again that you haven't got a clue about philosophy and his meaning.