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Ok I admit it
RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 5:50 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 5:40 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Amazing post I read online:


Wow. How could you argue against that.

Still presupposing there's a god, right?
Well, don't presuppose it and you can argue against that quite easily!
If there is no god, there is no grace, no justice, no mercy, no choice... much like there's no heaven, no hell, no soul, no ghosts...

But if God exists, he can very clearly be all powerful and all loving despite our current world's state.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:07 am)JesusLover1 Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 5:50 am)pocaracas Wrote: Still presupposing there's a god, right?
Well, don't presuppose it and you can argue against that quite easily!
If there is no god, there is no grace, no justice, no mercy, no choice... much like there's no heaven, no hell, no soul, no ghosts...

But if God exists, he can very clearly be all powerful and all loving despite our current world's state.

If god exists, the guy has been quite efficient at clearing his tracks and making it look like it doesn't exist.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:17 am)pocaracas Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 6:07 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: But if God exists, he can very clearly be all powerful and all loving despite our current world's state.

If god exists, the guy has been quite efficient at clearing his tracks and making it look like it doesn't exist.

Yeah, so we can have faith in him, if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 6:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: If god exists, the guy has been quite efficient at clearing his tracks and making it look like it doesn't exist.

Yeah, so we can have faith in him, if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.

Bullshit. You actually fall for that crap? Oh, easily deceived one.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: Yeah, so we can have faith in him, if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.

As I've said, what's the use in faith? And you're just dead wrong about the second thing: after all, Satan knows that god exists, he's been in the same room as god, and yet he still rejects god. The flat earth society exists despite the fact that we have photos of the roundness of the earth.

Simply put, evidence of a thing in no way interferes with our free will to deny it.
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 6:17 am)pocaracas Wrote: If god exists, the guy has been quite efficient at clearing his tracks and making it look like it doesn't exist.

Yeah, so we can have faith in him, if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.

That's not how it works...
But it's how you've been led to think about it...
Because there's nothing tangible hinting that it exists, you have to have faith, or else... you become a non-believer.

Free will has nothing to do with it.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 6:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.

Yet he allegedly speaks to your father, amongst many others... do you see the contradiction here?
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 7:01 am)jesus_wept Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 6:19 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: if he just appeared it wouldn't be our free will to believe in him.

Yet he allegedly speaks to your father, amongst many others... do you see the contradiction here?

That's because he allowed him into his heart by believing and having faith in him.
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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 7:02 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: That's because he allowed him into his heart by believing and having faith in him.

So are you saying that you had no faith in god the entirety of your life? All that talk of saving us was disingenuous?

And if you did have faith, then what was so different about you that god wasn't talking to you too? Thinking
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee

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RE: Ok I admit it
(March 5, 2014 at 7:06 am)Esquilax Wrote:
(March 5, 2014 at 7:02 am)JesusLover1 Wrote: That's because he allowed him into his heart by believing and having faith in him.

So are you saying that you had no faith in god the entirety of your life? All that talk of saving us was disingenuous?

And if you did have faith, then what was so different about you that god wasn't talking to you too? Thinking

Well I didn't have a deep enough relationship with him.
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