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Ok I admit it
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 (March 3, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 4:33 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: What was it? That's different, God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He completely allows the person to make their choice. If they choose hell, well it was their decision. As my mom says, at some point everyone has an oppurtunity to get saved.  (March 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 4:47 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: Seriously? go back a page and look Yet your deity can't give anyone testable evidence of its existence. Read the OT. People couldn't leave their houses without some sign from God, it seems. Yet these days he seems to only be able to appear on grilled cheese sandwiches. 
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" (March 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Beccs Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: That's different, God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He completely allows the person to make their choice. If they choose hell, well it was their decision. As my mom says, at some point everyone has an oppurtunity to get saved. Just open your heart up to him and have faith, he will come to you. 
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator  Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (March 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: That's different, God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He completely allows the person to make their choice. If they choose hell, well it was their decision. As my mom says, at some point everyone has an oppurtunity to get saved. Firstly, please answer the question. Is Dave choosing to get his legs broken because he won't pay Vinny protection money? Do you want to know the answer? OK: NO! How the hell is Dave choosing to get his legs broken. Without Vinny there wouldn't be a problem. Vinny created the situation, he is to blame. There is not choice. Dave has to pay. Its the exact same situation with your god. He created reality, he created mankind. He created sin. He created hell. He is responsible for everything, just like how Vinny is in this example.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech (March 3, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 4:59 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: That's different, God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He completely allows the person to make their choice. If they choose hell, well it was their decision. As my mom says, at some point everyone has an oppurtunity to get saved. But he gave man the ultimate gift of free will.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2014 at 5:07 pm by Bad Wolf.)
God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He's doing something a billion times worse. Infinite unbearable torture! How is that justified? How can you worship a god that would do that to anyone?
(March 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But he gave man the ultimate gift of free will. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew exactly what would happen. He knows everything. He's omniscient isn't he? The blame is still on him.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech  (March 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But he gave man the ultimate gift of free will.But if man exercises that gift, he gets sent to hell. That's a really awful gift, don't you think?
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
-Stephen Jay Gould RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 3, 2014 at 5:14 pm by JesusLover1.)
(March 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: God isn't breaking anyone's legs. He's doing something a billion times worse. Infinite unbearable torture! How is that justified? How can you worship a god that would do that to anyone? He still gave us the choice. He just knows in advance that some will choose hell. (March 3, 2014 at 5:08 pm)Tonus Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 5:06 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But he gave man the ultimate gift of free will.But if man exercises that gift, he gets sent to hell. That's a really awful gift, don't you think? Man's choice.
Bad Wolf
Compulsive procrastinator Religious Views: Agnostic atheist, anti-theist, whovian, misanthrope? (March 3, 2014 at 5:08 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: He still gave us the choice. He just knows in advance that some will choose hell. Stop using that word 'choose' as I have already explained, there is no choice involved at all. If a mugger came up to you and pointed a gun flush against your head and demanded you give him all your money. When you comply, does that mean you are choosing to give him your money? Of course not, you have no choice, he will shoot and kill you if you don't and then take the money anyway.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House “Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom "If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech (March 3, 2014 at 5:03 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote:(March 3, 2014 at 5:02 pm)Beccs Wrote: Yet your deity can't give anyone testable evidence of its existence. Empty words. At one time I was probably a more devout believer than you are. And don't start with the bullshit of "you were never a true Christian". Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???" |
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