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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm
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(March 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Yes but God's glory is not comparable to having your money stolen. Theft is bad, a personal relationship with God is the greatest thing ever.
NO NO NO. Seriously JL ask yourself this. A psychopath has broken into your house. He has your mother and father tied up, he points a gun at your head hands you a knife and tells you to slit their throats. Now, do you have a choice? If you did do it, would you say that you chose to slit your parents throats?
(March 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Him losing his money would be bad. Accepting Jesus into your heart is good.
you are unbelievably stupid
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 5:18 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: But God's gift is not taking our money. Except the 10% he demands.
(March 3, 2014 at 5:18 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: He gives us eternal life, eternal glory. If people choose not to accept it, it's there own problem. You can choose the being of all good, God, or the being of all evil, Satan. The choice is up to the person. But God has no gun to your head, and his gift is wonderful. False dichotomy. I could, and have, chosen neither.
Do you understand metaphor, JL1? Because it seems as if you don't. No, god doesn't literally have a gun to anyone's head, but it's implied. Saying I am free to choose, but then saying that there are consequences if I choose the wrong thing is the height of stupidity. It is just like someone asking you a question with a gun to your head.
Sorry but you can't choose neither. Your soul has to go somewhere. Either you accept God's gift, or choose to be with his exact opposite, Satan.
And I understand metaphor. The thing is God is giving you an amazing choice, yes the other option may be bad, but no one needs to choose it. Just choice Jesus! It's that simple!
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:31 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 5:26 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: And when Dave refuses to pay the protection money, Vinnies boys will break his legs, and then vinny will say: 'all you had to do was pay the money'
Him losing his money would be bad. Accepting Jesus into your heart is good.
You know, repeating the same thing over and over doesn't make it factual.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:32 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: God doesn't punish them. They choose to deny heaven, and the only other option is the devil's Hell. In other words, if they exercise their free will, they suffer for it. Not only that, but god will not even be man (or god) enough to admit that he is punishing them, preferring to play a childish game of "stop condemning yourself! Stop condemning yourself!"
If you forsake free will and behave like a puppet, you get into heaven, where you must presumably continue to behave like a puppet for the rest of eternity. Because if you exercise the 'gift' of free will in heaven, I can only imagine that god will interpret that as "choosing hell" and send you on your not-so-merry way. And just to rub it in, as you are being dragged away he'll mockingly call out "why are you choosing to leave? Don't you want to be in heaven with us?"
God is really creepy.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:29 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Yes but God's glory is not comparable to having your money stolen. Theft is bad, a personal relationship with God is the greatest thing ever.
NO NO NO. Seriously JL ask yourself this. A psychopath has broken into your house. He has your mother and father tied up, he points a gun at your head hands you a knife and tells you to slit their throats. Now, do you have a choice? If you did do it, would you say that you chose to slit your parents throats?
(March 3, 2014 at 5:27 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Him losing his money would be bad. Accepting Jesus into your heart is good.
you are unbelievably stupid
ACCEPTING JESUS IS A GOOD THING. SLITTING YOUR PARENT'S THROAT IS A BAD THING. The problem with these metaphors is that your using bad things that people are letting you choose, God let's you choose eternal peace and glory.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:34 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: ACCEPTING JESUS IS A GOOD THING. SLITTING YOUR PARENT'S THROAT IS A BAD THING. The problem with these metaphors is that your using bad things that people are letting you choose, God let's you choose eternal peace and glory.
So you would consider it a choice to slit your parents throats when their is a gun pointed at your head? You chose to slit your parents throats?
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:34 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:32 pm)Tonus Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 5:24 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: God doesn't punish them. They choose to deny heaven, and the only other option is the devil's Hell. In other words, if they exercise their free will, they suffer for it. Not only that, but god will not even be man (or god) enough to admit that he is punishing them, preferring to play a childish game of "stop condemning yourself! Stop condemning yourself!"
If you forsake free will and behave like a puppet, you get into heaven, where you must presumably continue to behave like a puppet for the rest of eternity. Because if you exercise the 'gift' of free will in heaven, I can only imagine that god will interpret that as "choosing hell" and send you on your not-so-merry way. And just to rub it in, as you are being dragged away he'll mockingly call out "why are you choosing to leave? Don't you want to be in heaven with us?"
God is really creepy.
When someone accepts Jesus into their hearts, they want to do what he tells them to because they have his goodness in their hearts, and they known it's the right thing.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:35 pm
You just don't fucking understand what i'm getting at do you?
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'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:35 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:34 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (March 3, 2014 at 5:33 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: ACCEPTING JESUS IS A GOOD THING. SLITTING YOUR PARENT'S THROAT IS A BAD THING. The problem with these metaphors is that your using bad things that people are letting you choose, God let's you choose eternal peace and glory.
So you would consider it a choice to slit your parents throats when their is a gun pointed at your head? You chose to slit your parents throats?
God isn't doing anything equivalent to that. If you choose not to follow him, you just go on with your life until it's over.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 3, 2014 at 5:37 pm
(March 3, 2014 at 5:34 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: When someone accepts Jesus into their hearts, they want to do what he tells them to because they have his goodness in their hearts, and they known it's the right thing. And when someone uses his god-given "ultimate gift" of free will and does not accept Jesus into his heart, he is hell-bound. Because free will only pays off if you don't use it freely.
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