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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 11:29 am
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(December 10, 2009 at 11:16 am)tackattack Wrote: Valid point then by God I mean any of the aforementioned monotheistic Gods
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Any of them? Monotheistic just means a single presence or being, they are usually attributed a personality comparable to that of a totalitarian dictator, that being jealous, petty, vengeful if we are to describe the god of the desert. Though people commonly have a belief in a loving god who just wants us to be good and love each other, something contradictory to the image of staving children in Africa. Again, it could be anything to anyone else and i don't side with any particular description over any other, i disbelieve them all equally and cannot provide you with the definite image you are looking for because i don't hold one concept of god any more valid than any other.
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you were noting and marking differences in my arguaments and other christian arguements. While I wouldn't really consider it as the conotation of discrimination; I was using to address the distinction between varying degrees of belief.
The definition is the topic of this discussion. I wanted an atheist perspective on what a monotheistic diety sometimes reffered to as God, Allah, YHWY, mother earth, etc. brings to mind. Define if you would the characteristics of said non-existant being. Something as simple as A creator, George Burns, or a big tittied monster would be great.I do appreciate the answers given al ready btw.
Maybe you should pick a different question. I hope i have made it clear to you why there is no atheist preconception of God.
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December 10, 2009 at 11:36 am
Ok another question then. Do you attribute the Atrocities in the Bible to (christian) God, Man or nature?
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 11:42 am
(December 10, 2009 at 11:36 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok another question then. Do you attribute the Atrocities in the Bible to (christian) God, Man or nature?
Be more specific in what atrocity you are referring to, your question is far too general.
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Wait, I can answer the god question!
We know that God is invisible because we can't see her(BBHH)! (Science!)
We know that God is pink because in our hearts we know that she(BBHH) is pink! (Faith!)
Therefore the Invisible Pink Unicorn(BBHH) is the most real God through a unification of science and faith!
Hopefully none of those FSM loving asshats post in this thread to talk their blasphemous nonsense of noodly appendages and flying spaghetti! Sheesh, what retards!
Woot! What do I win?
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm
(December 10, 2009 at 6:39 am)tackattack Wrote: (December 9, 2009 at 10:29 pm)Amphora Wrote: tackattack you had said:I'd like to hope that perfection is love. I'd like to hope that a God is that love and he shares it with us like photons from the sun.
No love and everything else is not perfect, to think that love is perfect then that is what you believe.
Now the second statement is what you believe god is. Loving, kind, honest, truthful, and many more thing YOU believe god is.
For me I don't believe he loving by seeing all the bad things that happen around the world. Somehow he has better things to do than help starving children in Africa!!
Why can't Love be perfect? First I define perfection as:
Perfection \Per*fec"tion\, n. [F. perfection, L. perfectio.]
1. The quality or state of being perfect or complete, so that nothing requisite is wanting; entire development; consummate culture, skill, or moral excellence; the highest attainable state or degree of excellence; maturity; as, perfection in an art, in a science, or in a system; perfection in form or degree; fruits in perfection. [1913 Webster]
The second statement regarding, loving, kind, honest, truthful, etc. are what we humans use as moralistic guides to achieve the perfect Love. I don't think God is wrath, trusing, jealous, selfish, etc. any justifiable human emotion that can be explained by social development including those in the previous statement. I've explained elsewhere my definition of Love and why it stands apart. I think the world we see (aside from the building blocks of nature) exist because humans create it as such. Almost every tool, object cause-effect is based off human action, desire or belief for good or bad.
Ok fair enough, your out look on love and perfection is good.
The only thing with me is my views love and perfection don't go hand and hand. I have been burned by love before. Sometimes a girl needs to be held, but more often than not a guy wants something different.  
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 2:50 pm
This looks familiar... 
I like it 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 5:26 pm
(December 10, 2009 at 11:42 am)theVOID Wrote: (December 10, 2009 at 11:36 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok another question then. Do you attribute the Atrocities in the Bible to (christian) God, Man or nature?
Be more specific in what atrocity you are referring to, your question is far too general. OK I'll grab the quickest and closest reference to post #27 of this tread. Any atrocities will do.
(December 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Wait, I can answer the god question!
We know that God is invisible because we can't see her(BBHH)! (Science!)
We know that God is pink because in our hearts we know that she(BBHH) is pink! (Faith!)
Therefore the Invisible Pink Unicorn(BBHH) is the most real God through a unification of science and faith!
Hopefully none of those FSM loving asshats post in this thread to talk their blasphemous nonsense of noodly appendages and flying spaghetti! Sheesh, what retards!
Woot! What do I win?
Rhizo My sincere appreciation? how bout a cookie?
(December 10, 2009 at 2:43 pm)Amphora Wrote: (December 10, 2009 at 6:39 am)tackattack Wrote: (December 9, 2009 at 10:29 pm)Amphora Wrote: tackattack you had said:I'd like to hope that perfection is love. I'd like to hope that a God is that love and he shares it with us like photons from the sun.
No love and everything else is not perfect, to think that love is perfect then that is what you believe.
Now the second statement is what you believe god is. Loving, kind, honest, truthful, and many more thing YOU believe god is.
For me I don't believe he loving by seeing all the bad things that happen around the world. Somehow he has better things to do than help starving children in Africa!!
Why can't Love be perfect? First I define perfection as:
Perfection \Per*fec"tion\, n. [F. perfection, L. perfectio.]
1. The quality or state of being perfect or complete, so that nothing requisite is wanting; entire development; consummate culture, skill, or moral excellence; the highest attainable state or degree of excellence; maturity; as, perfection in an art, in a science, or in a system; perfection in form or degree; fruits in perfection. [1913 Webster]
The second statement regarding, loving, kind, honest, truthful, etc. are what we humans use as moralistic guides to achieve the perfect Love. I don't think God is wrath, trusing, jealous, selfish, etc. any justifiable human emotion that can be explained by social development including those in the previous statement. I've explained elsewhere my definition of Love and why it stands apart. I think the world we see (aside from the building blocks of nature) exist because humans create it as such. Almost every tool, object cause-effect is based off human action, desire or belief for good or bad.
Ok fair enough, your out look on love and perfection is good.
The only thing with me is my views love and perfection don't go hand and hand. I have been burned by love before. Sometimes a girl needs to be held, but more often than not a guy wants something different.
I appreciate your personal experiences and I should have specified what type of love. Perfection Is a continual state of improvement and not an emotion of itself so they're really not the same. I was definately unclear about "God's perfect Love" though. You're last statment definately has odds in your favor and I'd bet with you on that. That doens't mean you don't keep trying.
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 5:45 pm
(December 10, 2009 at 12:14 pm)Rhizomorph13 Wrote: Wait, I can answer the god question!
We know that God is invisible because we can't see her(BBHH)! (Science!)
We know that God is pink because in our hearts we know that she(BBHH) is pink! (Faith!)
Therefore the Invisible Pink Unicorn(BBHH) is the most real God through a unification of science and faith!
Hopefully none of those FSM loving asshats post in this thread to talk their blasphemous nonsense of noodly appendages and flying spaghetti! Sheesh, what retards!
Woot! What do I win?
Rhizo
What nonsense. Everyone knows that the Church of the Flying spaghetti monster (BBHNA) has science on its side. We have the very scientific charts proving that the decrease of pirates lead to global warming. In the last two years we've had a cooling effect. Why? Pirates in Somalia. QED Bitchaz!!
The Flying spaghetti monster (BBHNA) is also the one holding us to the ground with his noodly appendages. In china they have more noodles, so more pressurre downward, so shorter people.
Anyone can see the Church of the FSM (BBHNA) is the only true religion.
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I think of "God" as the supposed supernatural creator of the universe that I don't believe in...
I think of gods as supernatural beings or, I guess, (co?) creators... that I also don't believe in.
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RE: What does an atheist...
December 10, 2009 at 6:01 pm
(December 10, 2009 at 11:36 am)tackattack Wrote: Ok another question then. Do you attribute the Atrocities in the Bible to (christian) God, Man or nature? The #27 post had nothing to do with the bible, so i'm not sure what question you were trying to ask.
Do you want to know what i feel about poverty assuming the bible is true or do you want to find me an atrocity in the bible and tell you who i think is responsible? And if it's the latter then which atrocity in the bible?
You need to try and make your questions more details and concise in the future because while you may recognise what you meant there is no guarantee anyone else will.
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