Is Hell or Prison the best cure for immorality?

[Tonus]

When was this golden age in which a universal belief in hell prevented anyone from doing bad things?

Same thing I was wondering. Was this before or after Moses sent the Israelites to rape Midianite girls?

[Esquilax]

I am talking about a hell where people earn their rightful punishment for. A rightful amount of time.

And I'm saying that that hell isn't present in any religious text.

Also God has the right to do anything if it is a demiurge so God has earned his sovereignty rightfully so.

Merely asserting that doesn't make it so: power that is earned comes at the consent of the governed, not at merely being more powerful. Your method is the way of a feudal warlord, not one who has legitimately earned power.

Power that is earned comes with systems in place to ensure it isn't abused, not formulated so that there is no sense in which abuses of that power could lead to it being taken away.

[Rampant.A.I.]

I don't get how God "earned his sovereignty" by creating a race to subjugate and punish for how they were created. Sounds more like entitlement to me.

Or like a drunken father demanding his daughter submit to his whims "because he brought her into this world and can take her out of it."

[Rabb Allah]

Morality is different to justice, morality is subjective and is different from person to person and from society to society, my wife can go out unescorted by a male here but in some parts of the world that would get her arrested by the religious police for immorality.

I am referring to the application of divine justice and it's effects on morality.

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All religions as of now have at least some concept of divine punishment for immorality and it seems to me that this has worked to a varying degree all until mankind stopped believing in hell. Although there are the religious wars and what not. But on the small scale level it seems to have done something.

Is a just hell better than a just prison?

When was this golden age in which a universal belief in hell prevented anyone from doing bad things?

Who ever said there was a golden age or that it worked out? Although I will add that the belief in hell kept an awful lot of Christians in line and made nuns deform themselves to prevent being rape bait. Hell has its psychological applications

[Rampant.A.I.]

Well, the bible considers rape to be less immoral than eating shellfish or wearing misled fiber clothing, unless the woman is already "owned" by another man.

So, that might be part of the problem with divine justice and morality.

[Tonus]

Merely asserting that doesn't make it so: power that is earned comes at the consent of the governed, not at merely being more powerful.

Unless you happened to stumble across this baby:

[Rabb Allah]

And I'm saying that that hell isn't present in any religious text.

Why are you so concerned with religious texts? Also have you really not read any of the Hindu scriptures because that sort of hell is mentioned in the Vedas.

Merely asserting that doesn't make it so: power that is earned comes at the consent of the governed, not at merely being more powerful. Your method is the way of a feudal warlord, not one who has legitimately earned power.

A feudal warlord conquers, please tell me in a hypothetical sense what a god would have to conquer. I understand you are not so bright in the matters of theology yet alone common sense but if someone creates something it is thus their property.
The issue though is that you view consciousness and supposed autonomy as a negation towards ownership. We are the ones who created such concepts to save our society from wide spread infanticide since a child is a biological product of another body ruled by a mind. God has no higher authority and has no morals since morality is merely a biological product and intellectually retweeked tool to prevent us from cutting throats. None of these things are applicable when you are speaking about a nonbiological being that is not even capable of being quantified or understood.

Power that is earned comes with systems in place to ensure it isn't abused, not formulated so that there is no sense in which abuses of that power could lead to it being taken away.

So God is George Bush?

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Merely asserting that doesn't make it so: power that is earned comes at the consent of the governed, not at merely being more powerful.

Unless you happened to stumble across this baby:

May Lord Thanos be praised

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Well, the bible considers rape to be less immoral than eating shellfish or wearing misled fiber clothing, unless the woman is already "owned" by another man.

So, that might be part of the problem with divine justice and morality.

Or it could just be that you are a little on the mentally challenged side and have not realized that the Bible is not exactly real.

[Godscreated]

All religions as of now have at least some concept of divine punishment for immorality and it seems to me that this has worked to a varying degree all until mankind stopped believing in hell. Although there are the religious wars and what not. But on the small scale level it seems to have done something.

Is a just hell better than a just prison?

The biblical hell is just, a just God created it and will justly put those there that refuse His Son.

No prison can be called just because it's a place where justice is to be carried out and innocent people are sent to prison. Though the system we have in the U.S. is not perfect it is quite good.

GC

[tor]

I am against idea of hell of any kind.

[Rabb Allah]

I am against idea of hell of any kind.

You really are missing out on the bigger picture. As a pessimist I do not see how any religious individual cannot believe in hell but now that I recall you are an anti-atheist and lack morals and the ability to know what is real.