So this is the face of "ethical veganism"?

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

You know, given what happened with the Nuremberg files, I can't imagine this site will last long. And with the actual content of the threats being more vivid than even the Nuremberg Files, there's no way the author won't spend time in jail.

What site are you referring to?

[sven]

Whatever, fuck this conversation. Done with it.

Wait, I understand now.

"veganism =/= eating vegan" definitely does not make sense. WHEW.

All right. So if you eat vegan you a snarky hippie through guilt by association. Thanks a lot, Google.

When I was little I used to read a comic strip named Moomin.
In one story, a group of understimulated housewives start a PETA-like organization. They start making everyone's lives miserable, meat is murder and all that.
In one strip the housewives all get ill. They get penicillin from a doctor. At this point, Moomin has had enough of them. He visits them and starts preaching bacteria rights.
'Those poor bacteria. Don't you think they have feelings? You MURDERERS!'
The housewives all force themselves to vomit up the penicillin.

[Minimalist]

For some damn reason, it is the case that the best known examples of vegans are the ones who are COMPLETE assholes about being vegan. *SIGH*

True of theists, too.


As for me, I'm having a steak tonight.

[The Valkyrie]

To me, these are obvious dangerous extremists who need to be monitored and locked up.

[psychoslice]

I'm a vegetarian but I have to admit that most vegans I have meet are a pain in the butt, they didn't like me having cheese and eggs which were the only animal products I would eat.

[Rev. Rye]

You know, given what happened with the Nuremberg files, I can't imagine this site will last long. And with the actual content of the threats being more vivid than even the Nuremberg Files, there's no way the author won't spend time in jail.

What site are you referring to?

The Nuremberg Files was a site dedicated to hosting a list of the names, home addresses, and work addresses of many abortion-performing doctors with the subtle implication that they were there for threatening the doctors. For this reason, the Supreme Court ordered it shut down.

NegotiationIsOver seems to be doing the same thing, but it seems their targets are fewer in number, and, since they actually posted elaborate torture fantasies along with their addresses and phone numbers, (something NF webmaster Neal "the Mule-fucker" Horsley did not do) there can be no ambiguity about the threat. There can no mistake this is a criminal act, and, if the Nuremberg Files was shut down, there is no reason negotiationisover shouldn't be.

[My imaginary friend is GOD]

The Nuremberg Files was a site dedicated to hosting a list of the names, home addresses, and work addresses of many abortion-performing doctors with the subtle implication that they were there for threatening the doctors. For this reason, the Supreme Court ordered it shut down.

Thank you. Now I completely get what you said.

[Fromper]

So I'm late in spotting this thread, but I figured I'd respond to clear up the many misconceptions I've seen here.

Let's start with the definition of veganism, taken directly from the Vegan Society, which invented the word:

Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

So it is an entire way of life, not just a diet. Vegans not only avoid animal products in their food (meat, dairy, eggs, honey), but also avoid leather and any other products made from animals. Not the use of the phrase "as far as is possible and practicable". A lot of non-vegans like to play "gotcha" games to try and catch vegans using animal products, such as using medicine that was tested on animals, but there's no contradiction there. Veganism isn't about perfection. It's about doing the as much as possible to avoid current and future abuses of animals, but some things just can't be avoided.

There are people who adopt a vegan diet without the whole vegan lifestyle, usually for health or environmental reasons. That's called either "dietary vegan" or "strict vegetarian" (I never liked that latter term), not vegan. Yeah, I know it sounds like a "No True Vegan" argument, but it's just trying to clarify the language. Vegan = lifestyle, Dietary Vegan = diet. Got it?

Now for the actual "No True Vegan" argument, which is the subject of the original post in this thread. Veganism is supposed to be about avoiding cruelty to animals. Humans are animals. Most vegans will tell you that being nice to humans is a part of veganism. The people threatening the animal researchers in the original article are just bad vegans. There are extremists in any group. Don't let these assholes influence your opinion of the majority of vegans.

As for PeTA (I never understood their capitalization, but that's how it's "supposed to" be written), a lot of ethical vegetarians and vegans, including myself, agree with PeTA's stated goals, but don't like their methods. They're the biggest animal rights/vegan group in America, so they get the most press, but again, they don't represent a majority. Just a very vocal minority.