No longer an atheist but what am I? A different kind of CREATIONIST..

[Napoléon]

Wtf is going on in this thread?

[Brian37]

I doubt if I'll qualify as a theist. I have no interest in the bible. It doesn't matter to me whether any deity had anything to do with putting together the cosmos, and I most certainly don't think the foundations of "what is" were laid by any being's intention. But we're not alone.

I don't know if they're 'higher' powers but there do seem to be other forces at work within each one of us which make us possible. Being unitary, I'm convinced, is an illusion. That we are heroes in our own stories is no illusion, but we accomplish nothing on our own. Our accomplishment isn't that we vanquish the dragons of our unconsciousness minds. A dead dragon does no one any good. Nope. Victory is when you enter into a relationship of mutual respect and support with the ancients.

No doubt, we exist as conscious entities with the capacity to analyze and innovate because that was advantageous over being hardwired to respond to situations instinctively. But we don't as conscious entities exist in a vacuum. All the instinctual impulses of our much older mammalian brains are still intact and what counts as satisfaction and fulfillment are not up to our conscious minds to decide. If we are free at all, we are free to choose the means to the ends of our organism's desires. We are not free to choose those desires. We have evolved to recognize how the satisfaction of some desires are mutually exclusive and to prioritize those that are dearer. But realization and actualization are not same thing. No desire dies willingly.

So I guess what I believe in are dragons. I believe there are ancient drives which must be served. I also believe that in the realm of creativity there are better sources to draw on than my conscious mind. When you serve your dragons well, they will infuse you with more insight and energy. When they go unfulfilled you can lose all affect and become despondent. We've been put in a position of great responsibility but we do better with the support of all the stakeholders of our being.

There is a sense in which the same ancient forces which produced the dragons have produced our conscious minds too. Creationism might well apply to consciousness even though it is a joke in relation to the cosmos. We've been created by ancient forces and are sustained by them still. We are neither as independent nor as barren as the modern myth of the individual would have it. Perhaps it is time to reclaim "Creationism" from those xtian yokels?

What the fuck?

Yes there are "forces", atoms, and physics and nature and evolution. No need to woo it up to any degree. Gaps in whatever we do not know currently are not going to lead us to any woo or superstition.

No need to Star Trek life up anymore than it is to myth it up either.

What you are doing is the same thing theists do, you are letting your natural sense of awe and wonder jump the gun. It is ok to say "I don't know". But the universe and all the material in it is a result of non cognitive uncaring unthinking process. The same reason you know a hurricane or tornado are not products of thought or magical forces. "All this" is simply a product of conditions.

[Whateverist]

What you are doing is the same thing theists do, you are letting your natural sense of awe and wonder jump the gun. It is ok to say "I don't know". But the universe and all the material in it is a result of non cognitive uncaring unthinking process. The same reason you know a hurricane or tornado are not products of thought or magical forces. "All this" is simply a product of conditions.

Hint: the date of this posting was April 1st. I took some things that I do believe and amped them up on purpose as a lark. That is all.

[Confused Ape]

I somehow missed the opening post on April 1st. I love the idea of all those dragons - it appeals to my Welsh ancestry.