Homosexuals "wrecking" Christian careers

[Heywood]

I don't see anything about that in the Wikipedia article on the act that first introduced minimum wage in the US.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor...ct_of_1938

“The Caucasians are not going to let their standard of living be destroyed by Negroes, Chinamen, Japs or any others.” - Samuel Gompers.

Rep. Clayton Allgood complained during debates about the Davis-Beacon act that, "Cheap coloured labor is in competition with white labor throughout the country"

Prior to that in Canada, "The Board of Adjustment has always taken the view that, if employers were obliged to conform to a higher standard of wages in the employment of Oriental labour, such labour would tend to become less desirable from an employer’s point of view, and to a certain extent would be substituted by the employment of white help.” - Labour Gazette - 1928

[Mystical]

Hey heywood,

I can't even remember what the OP was about, 14pgs later. But I have heard this 'persecuted baker slave' argument from my dad, along with the correlation between gay marriage and animal marriages.

It's apparent that you get your news from "biased news". You don't even know the real facts of the case!

“I’m a follower of Jesus Christ, and I believe that the relationship is not something that He looks favorably on,” the master pastry chef stated. “If Jesus was a carpenter, He wouldn’t make a bed for this union.”

“If you back down on your faith in Christ, then you have nothing to stand for,” Phillips said. “[Business owners] need to put their trust in Jesus Christ. He demands everything from them: their lives, their business [and every aspect of what they do].”

Similar complaints and lawsuits are being filed across the country against Christian businesses, including florists, bed and breakfast owners and t-shirt printers. As previously reported, last June, a photographer in New Mexico was forced to pay a fine of $7,000 and advised by the New Mexico Court of Appeals that she must shoot homosexual “weddings” according to state law in spite of her Christian convictions. She had declined to assist two lesbians that were seeking her services for a same-sex ceremony.

http://christiannews.net/2013/05/20/colo...mosexuals/

Firstly, It doesn't say anywhere in the bible that I can find-- not to serve homosexuals with your business. If you know of one, by all means, enlighten me. The bible does, however, state that you should obey your earthly Masters including paying your dues and following the rule of Caesar. Didn't Jesus himself die at the hands of a corrupt government?

The cake is not even eaten during the ceremony anyways-- it's for a party after the ceremony, so that too is bullshit. Appeal to ignorance seems to be the overall theme so far about your faith based reasoning for your fellow Christians not serving gay people.

So what part of "anti-discrimination act" do you not get, Heywood?

I get it, I get it. You just don't like them mean homosexuals tryin to have normal human ceremonies, huh? Or the government tellin you what to do?
Does it rub you the wrong way? Gonna call on your sky daddy to protect you?

OkaY, well, you have a business license which has been approved through the state you live in, based upon the stipulation that you adhere to the business code of ethics as dictated by the governing body of your state. Meaning you can go tell the woRLD that you hate gays, and I can discriminate against you for being a bigot--and you can kick me out of your store for throwing cake at your face-- but you still can't advertise for a service that you refuse to provide to certain people protected under the anti-discrimination act, and still be able to conduct business. You can personally choose to be a bigot, but as for operating your business publicly, you cannot.

From what I have found (I've been meaning to look this up), apparently this particular bakery shop not only sells cakes for dog weddings, but they discriminate against homosexual ceremonies and anniversaries! which is and was protected by anti-discrimination business operation laws.

On YELP, I also found out they won't make Halloween cakes that say 'happy halloween' and regularly and often discriminate against people drawn to their store with the promise of providing a service. I feel that a disclaimer is required in any and all ads and could easily stop these horrifically traumatizing experiences (I found one after another after another, and I only got to page 3 of the reviews of

I ordered a cake for my halloween party; it was a family party at my Aunt and Uncle's -- They have gone w Masterpiece before---so we figured why not try them again. I was nearly chased out of the store when I told them I wanted it to say Happy Halloween. It was a horrible experience. After I got home and googling this place I found out it is involved in a discrimination case. Not shocking one bit. I just want a cake, not a side order of fundamentalism. Steer clear if you aren't comfortable supporting discrimination in the 21st century.
http://www.yelp.com/not_recommended_revi...9n5qJuj9yA

My experience with Masterpiece Cakeshop went very well until the woman taking my order asked me what the cake was for. When I told her that it was for my sister and her girl friend's 3 year anniversary, a clear look of disgust crossed her face and she snidely remarked that they didn't make cakes for "gay" occasions. I was at a loss of words for once in my life, and simply turned around and walked out the door! I've heard that their cake is amazing, but how good can it be if the secret ingredient is HATE?!?!! I hope this establishment is fined and loses out on a LOT of customers! What a disappointment!

Really? She's disgusted that her advertised business drew in customers??? That's her response?

Apparently their cakes are regularly compared to grocery store cakes, only with the added 'love' of fundamentalism. And food poisoning!

I ordered a cake for my best friends birthday. First, they made a mistake on the name. Second, the whole order was done incorrectly. I ordered a vanilla cake with banana frosting. When we opened the cake, it had strawberry creme. My friend is deathly allergic to strawberries!! During his own birthday party, my friend was having a horrible case of irritable bowel syndrome.
We at first thought it was just the strawberries, until everyone at the party started having explosive diaherea. Even my poor Aunt Bromhilda was ill.

It couldn't have been worse until one of our dogs got into the trash and had some of the cake. Let's just say, they will never want people food again

Sorry, that just made me laugh is all.

I was a regular client at the Masterpiece cake shop, their cakes were ok, but nothing to write home about. My anniversary was last spring and I asked for a cake. Everyone was completely happy and asking me questions. When I indicated the names on the cake were both of the same sex they informed me that they couldn't help me and that I would have to go elsewhere. They were not polite about it in my case because I informed them that I would complain to the civil rights commission.

We ordered our commitment ceremony cake there a few months ago. It was horrible, almost as bad as the man who took our order. He was rude, impatient, impolite and just plain obnoxious. The cake itself, which was supposed to serve 75, maybe would serve 35. Also, it was dry and tasteless. The frosting tasted like sweetened crisco, and on top of it all, it wasn't ready when it was promised to be, and of course, we were again treated rudely when we complained.

We can't imagine a more horrible place to order a cake for a special occasion. Don't patronize this business. They will take your money and laugh in your face for being a sucker for having wasted good money on such an inferior product.

Sincerely,

Bill and Sandy (and oh by the way, Masterpiece, Sandy is a guy!!)

Hey if you want to side with someone out of line legally and ethically--then fine. You claim them in all their nasty glory.

Comment from Jack P. of Masterpiece Cakeshop
Business Owner 2/16/2012 At Masterpiece Cakeshop we don't discriminate against gays or lesbians in our normal course of business, however, a wedding is something that, so far, even the State of Colorado doesn't allow.
We will gladly make regular cakes for anyone.

---Unless, that is, you are having a Happy Halloween party, a same sex ceremony, or a same sex anniversary cake made.

[quote=YELP]
The consultant at the bakery went over flavors, stand/display choices and rental costs, delivery, etc.... Then, all of a sudden the woman (owner) said - oh, wait, who is this for? Is it for the 2 of you? When we said "yes" she let us know that the are Christians and don't believe, well, you know we can't support - I mean we don't support - something that isn't legal in the state of Colorado.

Hummmmm - we weren't doing anything illegal - heck, we weren't even doing any legal (or illegal) "thing" at all. Do they do a background check on their customers before they make a cake??

Very sad!
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What exactly is the issue again? I don't get it. All the 'reasons' are not reasons at all.

This took place on August 6, 2005. Here is an excerpt from my blog about my experience with these people ---

"Katie and I went to do a wedding cake tasteing yesterday. The service at the bakery was so-so -- we waited up front for a good five minutes or so before anyone appeared to help. Then we sat down, picked out some cake flavour we wanted to try and the lady brought out some samples. We were talking a little about the wedding plans ... and just before we left the lady asked who the bride was. I smiled a little and said that technically we both were. She looked a little confused and asked if there were seperate ceremonies then.

"No", we told her, "...we are marrying each other."

[b]A look of complete and utter horror crossed her face.

"I'm sorry," she said, "we can't do it then."[/b]

I found countless complaints like this btw, I'm only on pg 3 at this point. You'd think the lady would be a little less "horrified" after the first 'encounter' with lesbians or homosexuals.

So, i feel i need to disclose to anyone with an 'alternative' lifestyle, that this company does not want your business, as they do not participate in making cakes for " illegal" things, such as a commitment ceremony. ( exact quote).

All we wanted was a cake, and I totally respect the right to refuse service, and I feel obligated to help anyone else avoid what was an incredibly awkward situation by selecting this place for your services. That is simply it ( right, wrong, or indifferent). Nothing more, nothing less. Just want to make an awareness to help avoid putting anyone in that same situation (either them at Materpiece, or a consumer)

They did say over the phone later , that if someone like me wanted a birthday cake, or something unlike a wedding cake, that they would take our order.

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[downbeatplumb]

Are you saying gays act like fucking assholes when the lobby to get people fired who donate to anti-gay causes?

Anti gay=pro-discrimination

Or do you just think people who don't think like you do are assholes?

An "anti gay cause" is by definition targeting a group of people who are doing nothing wrong purely because they do not behave how others would like them to behave.

Getting people sacked for supporting the anti gay cause is fighting back against discrimination.

[Coffee Jesus]

None of the anti-gay or pro-hetero verses are actually said by Jesus. They're all from other books.

But Jesus does tell you to love your enemies.

43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so?

[Heywood]

Hey heywood,

I can't even remember what the OP was about, 14pgs later. But I have heard this 'persecuted baker slave' argument from my dad, along with the correlation between gay marriage and animal marriages.

It's apparent that you get your news from "biased news". You don't even know the real facts of the case!

Luckie, your post was too long and rambly and completely off so I didn't get much farther than what I quoted above....sorry.

I know for some this is a religious issue, but for me it is not. You cannot find anywhere were I gave religious reasons for my position. If you want to argue over religion and gays, go argue with your dad.

Further, this isn't about gays. Its about individual freedom. Gays just happen to be the flavor of the month. My political position is that people should be free to serve who they want to serve and be able to refuse to serve those they don't want to serve. God and religion are no where to be found in that position.

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Getting people sacked for supporting the anti gay cause is fighting back against discrimination.

I agree......and I have no problem with Mozilla firing its CEO. Where we disagree is I believe people should be free to discriminate.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Getting people sacked for supporting the anti gay cause is fighting back against discrimination.

I agree......and I have no problem with Mozilla firing its CEO. Where we disagree is I believe people should be free to discriminate.

Which is such a good foundation in which to build a modern, free thinking, liberal and advanced society, isn't it?

:-|

[Heywood]

I agree......and I have no problem with Mozilla firing its CEO. Where we disagree is I believe people should be free to discriminate.

Which is such a good foundation in which to build a modern, free thinking, liberal and advanced society, isn't it?

:-|

It won't happen. Too many people want to impose their will on others.

[Mystical]

Hey heywood,

I can't even remember what the OP was about, 14pgs later. But I have heard this 'persecuted baker slave' argument from my dad, along with the correlation between gay marriage and animal marriages.

It's apparent that you get your news from "biased news". You don't even know the real facts of the case!

Luckie, your post was too long and rambly and completely off so I didn't get much farther than what I quoted above....sorry.

I know for some this is a religious issue, but for me it is not. You cannot find anywhere were I gave religious reasons for my position. If you want to argue over religion and gays, go argue with your dad.

Further, this isn't about gays. Its about individual freedom. Gays just happen to be the flavor of the month. My political position is that people should be free to serve who they want to serve and be able to refuse to serve those they don't want to serve. God and religion are no where to be found in that position.

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Getting people sacked for supporting the anti gay cause is fighting back against discrimination.

I agree......and I have no problem with Mozilla firing its CEO. Where we disagree is I believe people should be free to discriminate.

So that's it then? Didn't read LOL? Do you have a learning disability that I should know about? I mean, I read 14 pgs of your drivel.

I know your position is that discrimination should be allowed---And I'm showing you why you're wrong with an example that you yourself brought up in the first place. My main points (that you failed to read or address apparently) were that no one gives a rats derriere what you think life should be like because discriminators are by fiat, guilty of human rights violations. That poor baker and his wife: are guilty according to state law of violating their contract by signing and receiving a business license and not adhering to the law. All they are, are fringe testing and all you are is some Guy whining that people should be able to discriminate and violate human rights.
I can't believe I have to remind you people that human rights exist irregardless of what you believe. They're self evident, and don't include a right to 'de scriminate' unless it doesn't cause harm to others. That Baker should bake cakes out of his house for Christians only, or put his big boy pants on and run a business in public, serving the public.

[SteelCurtain]

I agree......and I have no problem with Mozilla firing its CEO. Where we disagree is I believe people should be free to discriminate.

Which, as has been pointed out to you, did not happen. Mozilla's CEO resigned because he was free to express his opinion, he did, and people were also free to call him a bigot.

Also, again, people are free to discriminate. There is no law against that. Anyone can feel free to privately be a racist, sexist, misogynist, or homophobe.

They just cannot do it in the public sphere, sponsored by the state. If any business were to be able to not serve who they want, the will of the majority squashes the rights of the minority. This is the same argument for segregation in the 60's. Those businesses were saying that they have the right to choose not to serve blacks. Without anti-discrimination laws, there would still be businesses and areas in the south where blacks would have to sit in separate sections, where blacks wouldn't be allowed. When it comes to majority opinion, the 'free market' encourages more discrimination.

[Ryantology]

Heywood still hasn't explained why it's not a hypocritical position to say that employer deserves a guaranteed right to his job if he discriminates against minorities, but his employees do not deserve that same protection for the same behavior.