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1.Atheism+ and similar ideologies
#11
RE: 1.Atheism+ and similar ideologies
Not a fan of Myers or A+. They're as bad as evangelical Christians, and that whole debacle with Myers and him calling out Michael Shermer as a rapist despite having literally NO evidence just strikes me as something that any sane person, atheist or not, should be working against. The whole 'if you're not with us, you're against us' mentality is just puerile and pathetic, IMHO.

The A+ crowd aren't united by their atheism; they're united by their collective dislike of anything that disagrees with their narrow perspective as to what atheism is and what it should be for everyone else.

I can't remember the exact URL, but I remember seeing on FT blogs the extensive rules about not being sexist or using derogatory sexist language towards women (a fair and agreeable point, obviously), with the clarifier at the end of 'don't be a dick'. Just, so stupid.
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RE: 1.Atheism+ and similar ideologies
(May 3, 2014 at 5:24 am)mralstoner Wrote: I forget what Atheism+ is exactly but, generally speaking, yes atheist/humanist groups tend to be politically left-liberal.

Probably since conservatism is easier to inculcate in more religious people, hence why the two go so well together so often. And atheists don't tend to be religious, so it's not surprising that you don't find many conservative atheists, and those you do are often libertarians.

Quote:Yes, it is nauseating if you're an atheist who is not so rabidly pro-diversity and pro-freakery.

What do you mean by "pro-freakery"? Whenever I see language like that from the right, it's nearly always poorly concealed homophobia or transphobia, so I really hope that's not what you mean.

Quote:It's even hell if you're an atheist who likes government to balance their budgets, defend their borders, uphold the goddamn constitution, not persecute tea-party groups via the IRS, defend foreign consulates like Benghazi, etc, etc.

Yeah, if you think the IRS was persecuting Tea Party groups, you're full of shit. Firstly, the groups they investigated (both right and left) were supposed to be social welfare groups with no political activity. Worse for you, the only group they followed up on was a progressive group.

Oh and does the right-wing have, like, an obligation to shout out "Benghazi!" at every available opportunity?

Quote:What was your question? Oh yeah, there are no atheist/humanist groups for people who are not insane liberals. Correct. But then it is getting harder to express conservative views for *anyone*, not just atheists. Remember, liberals can't argue, hence they have to silence you via other means.

I can make assertions too, with just as little (no) evidence to back them up. You, at least, don't seem to be able to argue, just make generalizations.
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#13
RE: 1.Atheism+ and similar ideologies
Traditional communist leaders (as opposed to social democrats) are opposed to religion, although many of them are or were tolerant of it. The Chinese consider communism conservative and patriotic, so I imagine they consider atheism patriotic too.

(May 5, 2014 at 6:52 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: The A+ crowd aren't united by their atheism; they're united by their collective dislike of anything that disagrees with their narrow perspective as to what atheism is and what it should be for everyone else.

I've never heard of them, but I guess that's why they call it "Atheism Plus".
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(May 3, 2014 at 4:40 am)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: I would like to address a important problem within the rational and skeptical community.This problem is about the need for community especially for people who are fresh out of religion,and how that need causes that person to fall into communities that are similar to religion.Unfortunately humans will always seek someone or something to belong to and as a result,a person will never be able to freely express themselves to others because they fear being outcasted by the group whos company they have come to rely on for support.Pz myers and freethought blogs do just this.They take people who have freshly left religion but are in need of community.They offer it in exchange you must pledge your loyalty to them and join there cause.Individuals who are in the group are reluctant to "bite the hand that feeds them" and pretend simply agree so they can avoid criticism and being disowned by the group.Another issue i have with them is they try to force people to subscribe to certain world views in order to be an atheist.This only lends fuel to theists who claim atheism is a religion.

I want to hear your thoughts on this and tell me where iam wrong if you find flaws.

Some people desire that kind of community, some don't. There are six or seven million atheists in the US, I have trouble believing they all haunt forums like this, blogs like PZ's, or belong to local atheist groups or Unitarian churches. Heck, there are less than a million Unitarians counting all the atheists they already have. Maybe people do need to belong to something, but they don't NEED to belong to something religion-like. Further, as atheism becomes a larger minority, the main force driving the formation of atheist groups (social isolation) will disappear. Right now, almost every atheist I've ever met is someone I first met online, through the atheist group I founded, or throught the local UU. In ten years, I expect my religious friends will be introducing me to otther atheists they know.
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RE: 1.Atheism+ and similar ideologies
(May 5, 2014 at 12:10 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote:
(May 3, 2014 at 4:40 am)Mothonis_Cathicgal Wrote: I would like to address a important problem within the rational and skeptical community.This problem is about the need for community especially for people who are fresh out of religion,and how that need causes that person to fall into communities that are similar to religion.Unfortunately humans will always seek someone or something to belong to and as a result,a person will never be able to freely express themselves to others because they fear being outcasted by the group whos company they have come to rely on for support.Pz myers and freethought blogs do just this.They take people who have freshly left religion but are in need of community.They offer it in exchange you must pledge your loyalty to them and join there cause.Individuals who are in the group are reluctant to "bite the hand that feeds them" and pretend simply agree so they can avoid criticism and being disowned by the group.Another issue i have with them is they try to force people to subscribe to certain world views in order to be an atheist.This only lends fuel to theists who claim atheism is a religion.

I want to hear your thoughts on this and tell me where iam wrong if you find flaws.

Some people desire that kind of community, some don't. There are six or seven million atheists in the US, I have trouble believing they all haunt forums like this, blogs like PZ's, or belong to local atheist groups or Unitarian churches. Heck, there are less than a million Unitarians counting all the atheists they already have. Maybe people do need to belong to something, but they don't NEED to belong to something religion-like. Further, as atheism becomes a larger minority, the main force driving the formation of atheist groups (social isolation) will disappear. Right now, almost every atheist I've ever met is someone I first met online, through the atheist group I founded, or throught the local UU. In ten years, I expect my religious friends will be introducing me to otther atheists they know.

In the UK, where it would be accurate I believe to describe atheism as the majority 'religious"' demographic, it is exactly as you say. Very, very few belong to to any sort of group or organisation, and indeed most probably don't even identify as atheist as it doesn't even enter their mind as something to think about.

Things like humanism appear to be more in vogue as a collective voice against the interference of religion in the public sphere. But not atheism per se that I am aware of.
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Thanks everyone for responding.I agree with what most of you have to say,except that conservative poster.

My wish is that everyone will be able to resist the urge to compromise themselves in order to fit in.
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I have always leaned toward libertarian positions with many practical exceptions. That was true when I was an agnostic atheist and changed only slightly more conservative lately. I attribute that mostly to age, not religion.
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Boo. Wink
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Fuck Atheism +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otm4RusESNU
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(May 7, 2014 at 4:29 pm)Cato Wrote: Fuck Atheism +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otm4RusESNU

I wish i had a better browser so i could see the video
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