Criticizing Islam is racist?

[Thumpalumpacus]

... about behavior, not people, and therefore no exclusion follows.

I imagine he put the conditional "about any group" in there for a reason.

It does apply to a group of people.

It applies to any people who are willing to make a blanket statement about any group.

Perhaps you should read my following post. It explains a lot.

[Rhondazvous]

I have read in the Quran several verses that instruct Muslims to dissemble about their religious beliefs and even deny Allah to outsiders as long as they remain true in their hearts. That being the case, how can we read in the Quran scriptures that specifically and explicitly command violence, then believe Muslims who say they don’t interpret it that way? You might as well believe somebody who tells you they interpret The Anarchist cookbook as recipes for making fireworks.

The problem with moderate Muslims is they are bluffers for fundamentalism.

[abaris]

The problem with moderate Muslims is they are bluffers for fundamentalism.

Based on what? I wish you all would insert jew instead of muslim and see if the shoe fits you. If you want it to fit.

And let's not revisit that weasel bullshit of muslims not being a race. The sentiment is what counts.

[Lemonvariable72]

The problem with moderate Muslims is they are bluffers for fundamentalism.

Based on what? I wish you all would insert jew instead of muslim and see if the shoe fits you. If you want it to fit.

And let's not revisit that weasel bullshit of muslims not being a race. The sentiment is what counts.

You mean the sentiment of trying to shutdown criticism that is legitimate?

[abaris]

You mean the sentiment of trying to shutdown criticism that is legitimate?

Just try the shoe on. And come back after that. Maybe it fits, maybe it doesn't. Up to you.

[Lemonvariable72]

You mean the sentiment of trying to shutdown criticism that is legitimate?

Just try the shoe on. And come back after that. Maybe it fits, maybe it doesn't. Up to you.

You know on a lot of points we agree. And I actually agree that the rhetoric is eerily similar too the anti Semitic rhetoric of the early 20th century. Here is a big difference though. The Jews of the 30s were mostly quite moderate and modern for the Time. However the difference is now that we have extremists in the Muslim camp that are rarely condemned by other Muslims. And when any condemnation does come from the outside world it is met with THATS RACIST or NOT ALL MUSLIMS instead of rebuttal. So instead of the moderates seeing what is happening here they let the radicals prattle on and alienate those that would help them integrate. What they don't see happening is the potentially genocidal rage they are incidenting and how they are making harder for people like you to hold back.
If only they as a group would show willingness to integrate and condemnation of radicals they would give the batshit crazy right wingers so much ammo to wrong with and people like you could make fools of the Nazis in the public spectrum far more easily.

[abaris]

You know on a lot of points we agree. And I actually agree that the rhetoric is eerily similar too the anti Semitic rhetoric of the early 20th century. Here is a big difference though. The Jews of the 30s were mostly quite moderate and modern for the Time. However the difference is now that we have extremists in the Muslim camp that are rarely condemned by other Muslims.

Stop right there. Their condemnation just isn't as newsworthy as the actual attacks. But it is there, after every attack, and can be found, if you're not only looking for juicy headlines.

I'm the last to defend radicalism. It's revolting in every aspect. But as a member of a Holocaust survivor family, I take a very big issue with condemning any given group for what their radicals do. Even more so, if facts and figures can be easily looked up. Only 4 percent of terrorist attacks in the EU and only 5 percent of attacks in the USA are religiously motivated. According to Europol and FBI statistics in the public domain. And that's not even singling out Islamist terror. Only religious terror.

[Lemonvariable72]

You know on a lot of points we agree. And I actually agree that the rhetoric is eerily similar too the anti Semitic rhetoric of the early 20th century. Here is a big difference though. The Jews of the 30s were mostly quite moderate and modern for the Time. However the difference is now that we have extremists in the Muslim camp that are rarely condemned by other Muslims.

Stop right there. Their condemnation just isn't as newsworthy as the actual attacks. But it is there, after every attack, and can be found, if you're not only looking for juicy headlines.

I'm the last to defend radicalism. It's revolting in every aspect. But as a member of a Holocaust survivor family, I take a very big issue with condemning any given group for what their radicals do. Even more so, if facts and figures can be easily looked up. Only 4 percent of terrorist attacks in the EU and only 5 percent of attacks in the USA are religiously motivated. According to Europol and FBI statistics in the public domain. And that's not even singling out Islamist terror. Only religious terror.

What I'm actually saying is I agree with you. We could debate those statistics maybe but its pointless, because your right. What I am saying is that these get attention for what is hate speech and then call anyone that condemns them racist. So while I think Islam is a vile religion, I think most muslims are basically decent people that wonna get by like the rest of us. The point I'm getting at is that their radicals are just feeding into the bigots hate, and giving the right wingers more ammunition in the public sphere to push their influence and that's good for nobody.

[abaris]

So while I think Islam is a vile religion, I think most muslims are basically decent people that wonna get by like the rest of us

I think, every religion taken by the letter and carried to it's extreme, is vile. As I often say, it's only a thin coat of society and laws that prevents christian and jewish radicals to act onn their violent impulses. And sometimes this coat breaks and the results are ugly. Always keep in mind, we're talking about failed or authoritarian states when we talk about the Middle East.

[Rhondazvous]

The problem with moderate Muslims is they are bluffers for fundamentalism.

Based on what? I wish you all would insert jew instead of muslim and see if the shoe fits you. If you want it to fit.

And let's not revisit that weasel bullshit of muslims not being a race. The sentiment is what counts.

I would not be the fool who tries to tell you who to trust and who not to trust. But for me I will not give credibility to people who follow a book that permits them to lie. People will lie anyway, but to worship a god that sanctions lying takes it to a whole nother level.

He who disbelieves in Allah after belief—not he who is compelled while his heart is constant in faith—on him is the wrath of Allah and for him a grievous chastisement.

There is even a word for lying about one's faith: Taqiyya.. Of course individual Muslims are left to interpret what it means to be compelled But it is clear lying is permitted.