Organic food?

[Fidel_Castronaut]

[ShaMan]

I use a home-made mixture of distilled water and capsaicin as a pesticide in my organic garden.

[The Grand Nudger]

First of all I resent my position being characterized as "argument from ignorance".

If you don't like it, then don't do it. QED

Secondly, "studies" underwritten, directly or indirectly, by the chemical industry should be viewed with some suspicion.
You may note that your position is the exactly the same as the defenders of
leaded gasoline when true scientific inquiry was being systematically suppressed by large petroleum.

Of course they should, but since we have no shortage of studies...meh. I can't wait to see how often you apply you're own advice as we move forward.

In the case of cigarettes, they were marketed as having health benefits
BY doctors. And plenty of favorable "scientific" papers where
(and still are) being written by tobacco industry funded "scientists".

And yet we've been calling them coffin nails for centuries. Seams to me that bullshitters just cant bullshit all of us, all the time.

The EPA

"Laboratory studies show that pesticides can cause health problems,
such as birth defects, nerve damage, cancer, and other effects that
might occur over a long period of time."

Sure can, good thing they don't allow you to consume them, or anyone to sell a product that is covered in them, eh?

The NIH National Institutes of Health
"Scientists do not yet have a clear understanding of the health effects
of these pesticide residues. Results from the Agricultural Health Study,
an ongoing study of pesticide exposures in farm families, show that
farmers who used agricultural insecticides experienced an increase in
headaches, fatigue, insomnia, dizziness, hand tremors, and other
neurological symptoms. Evidence suggests that children are particularly
susceptible to adverse effects from exposure to pesticides, including
neurodevelopmental effects."

"exposure to pesticides" in this context doesn't mean "eating food grown on a farm" ...it means -working on the farm and walking through the pesticides in defiance of every law regarding pesticides because your boss (the farm owner) will fire you otherwise.

I will eat my veggies from my local organic farmer, thank you. You are of course free to eat whatever you like. But, I will reserve the right to resent your accusations.

I make no accusations. I'm giving you the facts. I'm a fucking organically certified farmer(who has spent years getting others certified)...goddammit! I'm losing control of my own market to douchebags who sell folks like you a bill of goods. I've spent a considerable amount of my adult life accruing the skills, connections, and licenses required to make the organic or sustainable transition easy for anyone who asks for my help (even though I already had skills and accreds that could have made me more money)...I've moved from state to state to do so..........all as a registered non-profit because it means something to me.......

RAAAAAAAAGE!

[The Grand Nudger]

I use a home-made mixture of distilled water and capsaicin as a pesticide in my organic garden.

Bugs can't take the sauce. How long have you been doing that? Would be very interesting if it was effective for more than 3 or 4 years. Do you have any means of standardizing your results? Do you keep records? Can I have them?

[ShaMan]

I use a home-made mixture of distilled water and capsaicin as a pesticide in my organic garden.

Bugs can't take the sauce. How long have you been doing that? Would be very interesting if it was effective for more than 3 or 4 years.

Six years, but my 'crops' turn every 4 months (indoor), so it's roughly equivalent to 18 years (minus seasonal pest considerations).

Do you have any means of standardizing your results?

Yes, I use the same organic capsaicin oil from the same manufacturer, and in the same proportions each time. I also have a pal with access to gas Chromatigraphy equipment who measures my levels (as well as my crop potency when cured).

Do you keep records?

Loosely. Until CA requires it for my products I will not expend the cost to maintain strict records.

Can I have them?

Once they're worth publishing, yes. Until that day comes I doubt I'll post or link anything concerning more specifics regarding my own personal means.

[Jackalope]

I use a home-made mixture of distilled water and capsaicin as a pesticide in my organic garden.

How's that work out on the textiles? I'd hate like hell to get an irritant in my... err... I mean on my skin.

[The Grand Nudger]

Those things are tanks. There's no disease or pest that could really degrade the quality of the harvest. Perfect crop....if you ask me. Anyone who buys "textiles" is probably smoking Raid and bleach. An argument for legalization if ever there were one, eh?

[ShaMan]

I use a home-made mixture of distilled water and capsaicin as a pesticide in my organic garden.

How's that work out on the textiles? I'd hate like hell to get an irritant in my... err... I mean on my skin.

It works great! I use the mixture in the vegetation phase of growth. I discontinue use of the mixture for flowering and in all breeding phases. When the finished 'product' is being tested for potency it is also being tested for contaminants. Because I use a potentially harmful compound as a pesticide, I have included 'capsaisin' in the parameters for final testing. My cured flowers regularly register within the acceptable limits for Human consumption without adverse effects on users.

[The Grand Nudger]

Six years, but my 'crops' turn every 4 months (indoor), so it's roughly equivalent to 18 years (minus seasonal pest considerations).

Meh, a year is a year regardless of turnover, but that's impressive. Indoor you say? Have you set a control that you don't apply any of the oil to? How did that turn out?

Yes, I use the same organic capsaicin oil from the same manufacturer, and in the same proportions each time. I also have a pal with access to gas Chromatigraphy equipment who measures my levels (as well as my crop potency when cured).

Awesome man...I hope you charge more than the average bear considering the lengths you've gone to. So, no buildup of toxins....why not, cap should stack over time just the same as anything else. Do you not use the same potting containers/media batch after batch?


Rgr about the records, but...honestly, you ought to keep them for yourself. Find a cipher you like or something. There's no real way to determine what effect anything you're doing is having unless you keep accurate records. By the by...by law (federal law)...you're required to keep records about things you apply to your lawn...and cap oil is no exception. Not that I don't understand why you don't...just throwing that out there. Its a charge you'd find on your arraignment and might otherwise be mystified about. Depending on severity, the penalties can be greater than that for actually growing your lawn. One day, when it's legal to grow your lawn...those records would be worth their weight in gold.

For the casual observer, accurate records with regard to some commonly grown commodities are near to non-existent. It would be swell if this weren't the case.

[Jackalope]

Those things are tanks. There's no disease or pest that could really degrade the quality of the harvest. Perfect crop....if you ask me. Anyone who buys "textiles" is probably smoking Raid and bleach. An argument for legalization if ever there were one, eh?

It ain't the crop I'm worried about - It's my damn lungs. I imagine all that capscacin washes off - but I want to know before I introduce weaponized irritiants into my lungs (given that mine have conspired to kill me twice).