Stifling Joy!

[Jenny A]

The Judeo-Christian god, especially the Christian one seems to be against many forms of harmless human enjoyment---sex being at the top of the list of things we oughtn't enjoy.

A few years ago I had the same sad but hilarious conversation with my mother twice. She called to warn me that men lose some sexual function as they get older (my step-father was about 75 at the time).

Carefully, and round about, with many euphemisms, she explains that after a certain age men don't get hard unless you touch "it". And that it's not really so bad, kinda nice, once you get used to it. (Clearly oral sex is out of the question)---And suddenly I felt sorry for my poor detached iceberg of a father.

Why is religious morality so bound up in sex? Unwanted pregnancy I get. Stifling pleasure I don't.

Modern Christians and Muslims have added wine and who knows what else to the bad list.

[Minimalist]

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
— H L Mencken

[Jenny A]

Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.
— H L Mencken

It's a label, but it doesn't explain it. There may be no explanation.

[Esquilax]

Why is religious morality so bound up in sex? Unwanted pregnancy I get. Stifling pleasure I don't.

Sex is a near universal impulse for people. Christianity attaches guilt to that, because since nearly everyone feels it, the religion can piggyback its own associations on that to get the highest number of people feeling guilty as possible. Guilt over nothing is their stock in trade; get you hooked feeling bad about something you can't control, get you in the pews to feel better about it until the next time.

It's a typical tactic of abusers.

[Ryantology]

Christianity attaches guilt to everything. That's the whole point. If you aren't made to think that you're a completely worthless piece of shit, you won't have any need for salvation, and they don't have anything tangible and of actual value to offer anybody.

[LastPoet]

Christianity attaches guilt to everything. That's the whole point. If you aren't made to think that you're a completely worthless piece of shit, you won't have any need for salvation, and they don't have anything tangible and of actual value to offer anybody.

Mayhap, but if you accept jeebus into you, even before death, you are saved too, so I've now confused myself

[archangle]

The Judeo-Christian god, especially the Christian one seems to be against many forms of harmless human enjoyment---sex being at the top of the list of things we oughtn't enjoy.

A few years ago I had the same sad but hilarious conversation with my mother twice. She called to warn me that men lose some sexual function as they get older (my step-father was about 75 at the time).

Carefully, and round about, with many euphemisms, she explains that after a certain age men don't get hard unless you touch "it". And that it's not really so bad, kinda nice, once you get used to it. (Clearly oral sex is out of the question)---And suddenly I felt sorry for my poor detached iceberg of a father.

Why is religious morality so bound up in sex? Unwanted pregnancy I get. Stifling pleasure I don't.

Modern Christians and Muslims have added wine and who knows what else to the bad list.

Bullshit.

what it is against is addiction to them.

For the love of no god. people are so stupid.

[Esquilax]

Bullshit.

what it is against is addiction to them.

For the love of no god. people are so stupid.

Yeah, that would explain the part in the bible where it explains that just thinking about sex is the same as adultery in the eyes of god. Because all christianity concerns itself with is addiction to sex, and threatens no punishment at all for those that don't do it to excess. Just those that do it, and those that don't, but think about it...

Oh. Oh, I think you fucked up.

[Jenny A]

The Judeo-Christian god, especially the Christian one seems to be against many forms of harmless human enjoyment---sex being at the top of the list of things we oughtn't enjoy.

A few years ago I had the same sad but hilarious conversation with my mother twice. She called to warn me that men lose some sexual function as they get older (my step-father was about 75 at the time).

Carefully, and round about, with many euphemisms, she explains that after a certain age men don't get hard unless you touch "it". And that it's not really so bad, kinda nice, once you get used to it. (Clearly oral sex is out of the question)---And suddenly I felt sorry for my poor detached iceberg of a father.

Why is religious morality so bound up in sex? Unwanted pregnancy I get. Stifling pleasure I don't.

Modern Christians and Muslims have added wine and who knows what else to the bad list.

Bullshit.

what it is against is addiction to them.

For the love of no god. people are so stupid.

The amount of repression depends of the brand (or even the particular church). This is the religion that brought us the "sins" of onanism, i.e. masturbation, contraception, homosexuality, single sex, dancing, revealing clothing, etc. Do they all make sins of all those things? Nope. But some churches make sins of all of them. It goes back to the Old Testament. Ham got banished for seeing his father Noah naked. It continues through Jesus and Paul.

[archangle]

Bullshit.

what it is against is addiction to them.

For the love of no god. people are so stupid.

Yeah, that would explain the part in the bible where it explains that just thinking about sex is the same as adultery in the eyes of god. Because all christianity concerns itself with is addiction to sex, and threatens no punishment at all for those that don't do it to excess. Just those that do it, and those that don't, but think about it...

Oh. Oh, I think you fucked up.

bullshit again. you are also dishonest.

does it make sense for it to mean "don't dwell on it" or
"don't think about it at all."

---

Bullshit.

what it is against is addiction to them.

For the love of no god. people are so stupid.

The amount of repression depends of the brand (or even the particular church). This is the religion that brought us the "sins" of onanism, i.e. masturbation, contraception, homosexuality, single sex, dancing, revealing clothing, etc. Do they all make sins of all those things? Nope. But some churches make sins of all of them. It goes back to the Old Testament. Ham got banished for seeing his father Noah naked. It continues through Jesus and Paul.

I agree with this.
People that teach it this way are sick and misguided. And should be stopped imho