I am God

[Zidneya]

@Zidneya

Wow. . you reply that long without any conclusion,

….I'm refuting you wy would I need a conclusion?

valid premises?

Really? I mean is not that I refuted every statement you've made so far. Like for example.

Atheism is not founded on real observation

"The Church says the Earth is flat. But I know that it is round. For I have seen the shadow on the Moon. And I have more faith in a shadow than in the Church." -- Magellan

Look Im gonna simplify this for you:
Quoting the quran aint relevant nor valid.
You aint' god.
We don't believe you.
Perception is seeing people and things not as they are, but as we think they are. Therefor your Perception - The reality beyond matter video doesn't count.
Those are a couple of the premises I've mentioned so far.

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and denying all the way. .

You are just proving my point:

Please thinking that anything except oneself is an illusion that is blank denial. Just because you think that you think that everyone else thinks that as well is called psychological projection. You suffer from it not us. You think I'm wrong then tell me how many people have you claimed are in denial since you came here?

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it is Religion of Negativism . . .

If atheism is a religion could you answer my questions again?

Do we kneel in front of the periodic table and make bows?
Do we pray to the vaccines to help us in our everyday life?
Do we see and interpret symbols printed in atoms?
Is Einstein birthday an official holiday?
Do we have to pay penitence for breaking the sound barrier?
Do we confess when we get mathematics results without doing the equations?
Do scientific institutions have tax rate excepts?
Do our good deeds are awarded by the starts in the universe?
Do we get our morals from watching the weather report?
If I believe strong enough does the laws of the universe will change?

by the way. .

Because last time I checked we had tried to explain atheism to you.

Yeap, I think you have to work out on your definition of atheism because it is self contradictory even Dawkins himself. . and when he said:
He is an atheist and believe in God?

I never EVER EVER
Read, watch, quote, mention, referred, or used any Richard Dawkins work, speech, book, or phrase in my life.
The closest I've ever been to know about him is watching his Ken Ham debate on youtube but I've never got the time.

You wanna refute mi definition of atheism? I have a crazy idea why don't you refute my definition of atheism?

No our pattern is: I see, I test, I study, I prove, therefore I believe. To denial something first it needs to be testable and probable. Until then we do not denial we simply ignore. First I need you to prove to you that the Emeral dream exists then we can discuss your denial towards its existence. Same goes for you. First you need to prove to me that souls and spirits exists. Because so far we haven't seen any evidence of gods, spirits, souls, or any plane of existence aside from the physical one. First we prove then we discuss until then it is fair to assume that it don't exists.

Besides what? do you think if Richie says something every atheist is gonna agree with him? I mean I can understand why you are quoting him nevertheless .This mentality works for christians and muslims since they follow the teaches of christ and Mohamed but not for us. That's the beauty of atheism. We don't have any specific figure nor representing speaker.
Iv'e do read.
Nietzsche, Hitchens, De Mello, The Bible, and some of Darwin.

You want a conclusion? Ive got one.
Muslim and atheism are contradictions.

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This is more entertaining than the world cup. .

And just like in world cup there are victories and looses. And it's not like many of use have agreed with you so far. Not even the theist around here have agreed with you. Not even the Muslims. And believe me in a thread with 1757 views you can be certain that they had read what you've wrote as well.

[Muslim Atheism]

….I'm refuting you wy would I need a conclusion?

You mean refuting me like the following ?

Check all the mistakes the Quran has
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/quran/index.htm

I'll be spamming this whole forum if I answer all the fallacy in their arguments. . . .

Choose one that is the best premise that you can think , and we start from there. . . one by one, until we complete the whole Quran. . .

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You aint' god.
We don't believe you.

Oh yes, you jump into the middle of the conversation, miss the point and present new sets of argument which is totally irrelevant to the real issue of this thread. . . the ignoratio elenchi, the ignorance of refutation and proving the wrong point.

Can you tell me what is the real issue in this thread ?

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If atheism is a religion could you answer my questions again?

Simple, sectarianism and the "law of cause and effect". . .

Primary God: Self and Ego <-- this is the "cause"
Secondary God: Allah, Jesus, Lord Krishna, "Object" , Scientist, and continue. . . . the idea and their observation.<-- this is the "effect"

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

I never EVER EVER
Read, watch, quote, mention, referred, or used any Richard Dawkins work, speech, book, or phrase in my life.
The closest I've ever been to know about him is watching his Ken Ham debate on youtube but I've never got the time.

So Richard Dawkins is not an Atheist , you are the real Atheist ?

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You wanna refute mi definition of atheism? I have a crazy idea why don't you refute my definition of atheism?

No our pattern is: I see, I test, I study, I prove, therefore I believe.

Yes, subjected to one "missing premise", ie. you are able to prove you exist.

no matter how many people I've seen in this world . . . there is still only one person there, me!

Can you prove you exist ?


. . .

You want a conclusion? Ive got one.
Muslim and atheism are contradictions.

Prove it. . . that is blank statement and not even an argument. It is an opinion.

[Zidneya]

I'll be spamming this whole forum if I answer all the fallacy in their arguments. . . .

Choose one that is the best premise that you can think , and we start from there. . . one by one, until we complete the whole Quran. . .

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That’s were you start? Really? The Quran? Okay?
Prove me that it’s a testimony from God?
Why is Polygamy okay but not Poliandry?
Why women have to wear a hijab why God doesn’t promote acceptation instead of represion?
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth? Days? Really?
Why the Quran promotes killing if it’s the Word from God?
Why if promotes a Geocentric universe? (And I’m not talking about the everything revolves around our lifes I’m talking about the stars and planets)
What about all the scientific msitkes in the Quran?
What about all the cruelty in Quran?

Oh yes, you jump into the middle of the conversation,

What can I say? Some of us prefer sentences instead of
Obey Allah is equal to "No God", ie. (0) . . it is 1 + 0
Otherwise, it is "1" . . ie. "I am God" (1) . . it is 1 + 1

miss the point and present new sets of argument which is totally irrelevant to the real issue of this thread. . . the ignoratio elenchi, the ignorance of refutation and proving the wrong point.

If my disbelief to you statement is a is a Ignoratio elenchi? Because last time I checked Ignoratio elenchi is mentioning some point that has anything to do nor address the issue in question.
Then why do you bother to argue with me?
Why do you debate with me?
Why do you care if I refute or accept the Quran?
Why do you started this thread?
Why claiming that everyone else is in denial? If you don’t care about others disbelief you shouldn’t care whether or not they are in denial?
Why continue your thread?
Why not only agree with anyone?
Why do you constantly validate your point? People don’t believe you? So?
Even if you are bored you can simply do other things why this?
If my disbelief doesn’t matter why posting a Wikipedia article?

Can you tell me what is the real issue in this thread ?

That just as I can’t probe to you that I exist? You can’t prove anything that you are saying.
Tell me what can you probe?...
Okay I can play the delusion card as well. Probe me that everything you claim is true. How do you know there’s is a Zid? And if there isn’t a Zid? What are you doing?
What can you probe?
That you are God?
That there is no God?
That everything is a delusion?
If everythin is a delusion so does the Quran isn’t it?
And if the Quran is a Delusion why mentioning it?

If atheism is a religion could you answer my questions again?

Simple, sectarianism and the "law of cause and effect". . .

Primary God: Self and Ego <-- this is the "cause"
Secondary God: Allah, Jesus, Lord Krishna, "Object" , Scientist, and continue. . . . the idea and their observation.<-- this is the "effect"

According to your logic everything is God and if everything is God. Does a stone is God? Does a grain of sand? Does a stone has a will?(you know that one of the personal traits of God is his will right?) And if it doesn’t then what relevance or objectiveness does that give to the Quran? How does your logic give what is content in the Quran more sacred relevance than any other self help book if there is no supernatural info in it’s contents? And how does that logic of cause and effect solve the how does everything came up to be?
Let’s see.

Primary God: Me <-- this is the "cause"
Secondary God: Universe<-- this is the "effect"
Okay I created the universe therefore so can you. Now God kill me, stop believing in me, Stop thinking of me? Stop any kind of thought about me? Does that makes me disappear? It doesn’t have to be me. Use any member of your family and let’s see how relevant is your thought in the construction of reality?

Oh and just because I believe in something does that makes me a religious of that something? Isn’t there a line between religious faith and simple beliefs?

Ohh. And you didn’t answer my questions.
If you want I can post them again.
Do we kneel in front of the periodic table and make bows?
Do we pray to the vaccines to help us in our everyday life?
Do we see and interpret symbols printed in atoms?
Is Einstein birthday an official holiday?
Do we have to pay penitence for breaking the sound barrier?
Do we confess when we get mathematics results without doing the equations?
Do scientific institutions have tax rate excepts?
Do our good deeds are awarded by the starts in the universe?
Do we get our morals from watching the weather report?
If I believe strong enough does the laws of the universe will change?
I can post them as many time you want buddy.

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

And if atheism and theism variants since both are basing on realism an idealism doesn’t that affect the effect? And if it doesn’t affect the effect why isn’t everyone agrees with everyone? Why don’t you agree with me? Does anything that comes from the self is equal? Does the continuum examination of the reality doesn’t count?

So Richard Dawkins is not an Atheist , You are the real Atheist ?

What does that difference does it make if Dawkins is or isn’t an atheist? If my atheism that like I said before ain’t anything based on Dawkins how is affected by his religious inclinations? Oh and answering to your question if he is or not an atheist:
How do you expect me to know since like I said before: I’ve never read nor know anything about the guy? All I know is that there is a man called Richard that claims to be an atheist, Is he for sure? I dunno. Is he lying? I dunno. Is he logical? I dunno. Is a nutjob? I dunno. What does Dawkins and I are doing in the same sentence?
Is he the kind of atheism that I aspire to be? Is he the ultimate example of atheism? Does Dawkins speak on my behalf? Why am I being compared to him? If Dawkins stop being an atheist so do I?

I’m based my ideas on realism. According to your logic what does that tell you? Am I an atheist? You said that atheism is based on realism didn’t you?

Yes, subjected to one "missing premise", ie. you are able to prove you exist.

I think therefor I exist. Oh and don’t ask me to prove to you that I exists.
I can prove it to myself pal but if you have an issue with my existence that’s your problem bud not mine. Why would it be? I can live and be perfectly fine with waterer it is that you either deice or not to believe?
What you expect me that in ten twenty years from know I'm gonna: Oh but I couldn't prove to him that I'm right. because like I said I don't believe you, and it ain't my job or obligation to believe you. It is your job to convince me to believe you. It is your job to convince me the Quran.

no matter how many people I've seen in this world . . . there is still only one person there, me!

Then who are you talking to?


Can you prove you exist ?

You do realize that for me to watch your video first you have to refute what I said before right?

If perception is so objective end reliable tool then no one will make a trust mistake ever.
“Perception is seeing people and things not as they are, but as we think they are.”

You want a conclusion? Ive got one.
Muslim and atheism are contradictions.

Prove it. . . that is blank statement and not even an argument. It is an opinion.

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Do atheist guide themselves on what the Quran says?
Does the Quran affects atheism?
If people stop believing in Allah does that affect atheism? And vice versa?
Was the prophet Muhammad an atheist?
Does atheist and Muslims concord in everything?

Oh one last question do you really think that I'm gonna read every article and video that you post me? It's you who has to prove me your points pal. I'm not gonna read nor watch anything. If I wanted to see if you are right I would seek that info by myself instead of read and watch what you show me. That's why I mentioned my own Ignoratio elenchi definition. But like I said "I don't believe you." Much less I'm gonna start reading stuff to believe you. You convince me not wikipedia.

[Losty]

Give up, love, he is a crazy person. Thinks Muslims don't believe in god.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Give up, love, he is a crazy person. Thinks Muslims don't believe in god.

According to a report supposedly traced back to a member of ISIS, the typical muslim, but not them, worship a stone. He says that they are going to destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, which houses the stone that the muslims worship.

[Losty]

Give up, love, he is a crazy person. Thinks Muslims don't believe in god.

According to a report supposedly traced back to a member of ISIS, the typical muslim, but not them, worship a stone. He says that they are going to destroy the Kaaba in Mecca, which houses the stone that the muslims worship.

Well considering that ISIS is the supreme authority that is probably correct.

[Muslim Atheism]

Yes. . common pattern of an atheist argument, ignore answer and issue, and make new ones with so many " ? ", blank denial and no conclusion. . . religion of negativism.

Prove me that it’s a testimony from God?

Who say the Quran from God ?
Allah is not a God. . .
I am God, and that's why Allah's says "NO GOD" (self/ego). . (refer here)
but Oneness, the reality . . and consciousness.

and the Quran is a hadith, the words of the final messenger. That's it.

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.







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Why is Polygamy okay but not Poliandry?

Where does the Quran say polygamy are okay ?

The rule is "one wife", and with strict exceptions (refer here).

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.








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Why women have to wear a hijab why God doesn’t promote acceptation instead of represion?

Hijab is not from the Quran. . it is from the Arabs. (refer here)

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.








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How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth? Days? Really?

Wow. . . are you there when it all starts ? and who can verified all those things ? Superman ? Scientists ? LOL!

Secondly, what is your assumption? It is equal to our day ?
If yes. . . I wonder how could you understood it as equal to our day when the sun is not for the whole universe
and . . there is no sun in the beginning of time

May I know which planet you are referring as the basis of your assumption that it is equal to our day ? (ie. based on the sun)








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Why the Quran promotes killing if it’s the Word from God?

What verse from the Quran ?
Be specific. . this is blank accusation.








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Why if promotes a Geocentric universe? (And I’m not talking about the everything revolves around our lifes I’m talking about the stars and planets)

You are talking nonsense. . who can verified all those things ? Scientists ? LOL!

I don't have to believe any of that, and the Quran don't ask me to believe all that. . . simply because no one can conclusively prove they are right (refer here, item 4)








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What about all the scientific msitkes in the Quran?

What scientific mistakes ? Be specific. . and. .
How do you prove that it is a mistake ?
What are the facts you used to say it is a mistake ?
Are you there to witness everything ?
Is it hearsay or theory (opinion) and not facts ?
Are you qualified to declare it is a mistake ?
What is your qualification?
What is the scientist qualification?
How long does he been involved in that specific field ?
Is he an expert ?
How does he make the experiments ?
What have he observed ?
What facts does he have for experiments ?
Is it based on facts or merely his theory and assumptions (opinion) ?
How can he be sure that it is real facts, the truth ?
and . . can your scientists prove that he exists and does not involve with illusion ?

and with so many phenomenal conditions. . .

see? how stupid for one to raise that issue. . . LOL!






. . .

What about all the cruelty in Quran?

What verse from the Quran ?
Be specific. . this is blank accusation.








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What can I say? Some of us prefer sentences instead of
Obey Allah is equal to "No God", ie. (0) . . it is 1 + 0
Otherwise, it is "1" . . ie. "I am God" (1) . . it is 1 + 1

No. . . it is not about obeying Allah
it is about Oneness. . self consciousness vs. egoic consciousness.
and that's what makes an atheist as "religious people". . . it is the same, and an alternative to conventional theists.

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

Therefore. . .

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.

. . .

miss the point and present new sets of argument which is totally irrelevant to the real issue of this thread. . . the ignoratio elenchi, the ignorance of refutation and proving the wrong point.

If my disbelief to you statement is a is a Ignoratio elenchi? Because last time I checked Ignoratio elenchi is mentioning some point that has anything to do nor address the issue in question.
Then why do you bother to argue with me?
Why do you debate with me?
Why do you care if I refute or accept the Quran?
Why do you started this thread?
Why claiming that everyone else is in denial? If you don’t care about others disbelief you shouldn’t care whether or not they are in denial?
Why continue your thread?
Why not only agree with anyone?
Why do you constantly validate your point? People don’t believe you? So?
Even if you are bored you can simply do other things why this?
If my disbelief doesn’t matter why posting a Wikipedia article?

Huh? you must be a very funny person, try ask that question to yourself. . . .







. . .

Can you tell me what is the real issue in this thread ?

That just as I can’t probe to you that I exist? You can’t prove anything that you are saying.
Tell me what can you probe?...
Okay I can play the delusion card as well. Probe me that everything you claim is true. How do you know there’s is a Zid? And if there isn’t a Zid? What are you doing?
What can you probe?
That you are God?
That there is no God?
That everything is a delusion?
If everythin is a delusion so does the Quran isn’t it?
And if the Quran is a Delusion why mentioning it?

Again. . you can't even understand the issue or the question, and instead reply with more irrelevant questions . .







. . .

According to your logic everything is God and if everything is God. Does a stone is God? Does a grain of sand? Does a stone has a will?(you know that one of the personal traits of God is his will right?) And if it doesn’t then what relevance or objectiveness does that give to the Quran? How does your logic give what is content in the Quran more sacred relevance than any other self help book if there is no supernatural info in it’s contents? And how does that logic of cause and effect solve the how does everything came up to be?
Let’s see.

Proven. . you don't even understand the issue and just interrupts with your fallacy . .







. . .

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

And if atheism and theism variants since both are basing on realism an idealism doesn’t that affect the effect? And if it doesn’t affect the effect why isn’t everyone agrees with everyone? Why don’t you agree with me? Does anything that comes from the self is equal? Does the continuum examination of the reality doesn’t count?

Again. . . you don't even understand what the article are saying and making wrong conclusion.

That article is differentiate that both atheist and theist are making conclusion on "egoic consciousness" (illusion) rather than . . "direct intuition" with nature, Oneness. .. .

Therefore, both atheist and theist are the same.







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Okay, I don't know what you are trying to prove. . . .
but I got tired to continue, and fed up with this silly and irrelevant question. .
it is so obvious that you don't even understand "the topic and issue", the "argument", or what the article are saying. . .

Try one issue at a time or make clear the above , one at a time , maybe that is better for you . .

here is the Bookmark

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Yes. . common pattern of an atheist argument, ignore answer and issue, and make new ones with so many " ? ", blank denial and no conclusion. . . religion of negativism.

Prove me that it’s a testimony from God?

Who say the Quran from God ?
Allah is not a God. . .
I am God, and that's why Allah's says "NO GOD" (self/ego). . (refer here)
but Oneness, the reality . . and consciousness.

and the Quran is a hadith, the words of the final messenger. That's it.

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.







. . .

Why is Polygamy okay but not Poliandry?

Where does the Quran say polygamy are okay ?

The rule is "one wife", and with strict exceptions (refer here).

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.








. . .

Why women have to wear a hijab why God doesn’t promote acceptation instead of represion?

Hijab is not from the Quran. . it is from the Arabs. (refer here)

Which part you did not agree ?
Please state your issue and conclusion clearly.








. . .

How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth? Days? Really?

Wow. . . are you there when it all starts ? and who can verified all those things ? Superman ? Scientists ? LOL!

Secondly, what is your assumption? It is equal to our day ?
If yes. . . I wonder how could you understood it as equal to our day when the sun is not for the whole universe
and . . there is no sun in the beginning of time

May I know which planet you are referring as the basis of your assumption that it is equal to our day ? (ie. based on the sun)








. . .

Why the Quran promotes killing if it’s the Word from God?

What verse from the Quran ?
Be specific. . this is blank accusation.








. . .

Why if promotes a Geocentric universe? (And I’m not talking about the everything revolves around our lifes I’m talking about the stars and planets)

You are talking nonsense. . who can verified all those things ? Scientists ? LOL!

I don't have to believe any of that, and the Quran don't ask me to believe all that. . . simply because no one can conclusively prove they are right (refer here, item 4)








. . .

What about all the scientific msitkes in the Quran?

What mistakes ? Be specific. . and. .
How do you prove that it is a mistake ?
What is the facts you used to say it is a mistake ?
Are you qualified to declare it a mistake ?

Can your scientists prove that he exists and does not involve with illusion ?

and with so many phenomenal conditions. . .







. . .

What about all the cruelty in Quran?

What verse from the Quran ?
Be specific. . this is blank accusation.








. . .

What can I say? Some of us prefer sentences instead of
Obey Allah is equal to "No God", ie. (0) . . it is 1 + 0
Otherwise, it is "1" . . ie. "I am God" (1) . . it is 1 + 1

No. . . it is not about obeying Allah
it is about Oneness. . self consciousness vs. egoic consciousness.
and that's what makes an atheist as "religious people". . . it is the same, and an alternative to conventional theists.

Therefore, the atheistic "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "realism", just as the conventional "religious" (or theistic) "point of view" is characterized by the trend of mind called "idealism" — but both atheism and theism arise on the basis of the "self"-contraction (or the ego of phenomenal "self"-consciousness), rather than on the basis of direct Intuition of the Real Self-Nature, Self-Condition, and Self-State That is Prior to separate "self" and its conventions of perception and thought.

Therefore. . .

Therefore, atheism (or conventional realism) is simply a philosophical alternative to theism (or conventional "God-religion"), based on the same principle and consciousness (which is the phenomenal ego), and seeking (by alternative means) to fulfill the conditionally manifested "self" and relieve it of its suffering.

. . .

If my disbelief to you statement is a is a Ignoratio elenchi? Because last time I checked Ignoratio elenchi is mentioning some point that has anything to do nor address the issue in question.
Then why do you bother to argue with me?
Why do you debate with me?
Why do you care if I refute or accept the Quran?
Why do you started this thread?
Why claiming that everyone else is in denial? If you don’t care about others disbelief you shouldn’t care whether or not they are in denial?
Why continue your thread?
Why not only agree with anyone?
Why do you constantly validate your point? People don’t believe you? So?
Even if you are bored you can simply do other things why this?
If my disbelief doesn’t matter why posting a Wikipedia article?

Huh? you must be a very funny person, try ask that question to yourself. . . .







. . .

That just as I can’t probe to you that I exist? You can’t prove anything that you are saying.
Tell me what can you probe?...
Okay I can play the delusion card as well. Probe me that everything you claim is true. How do you know there’s is a Zid? And if there isn’t a Zid? What are you doing?
What can you probe?
That you are God?
That there is no God?
That everything is a delusion?
If everythin is a delusion so does the Quran isn’t it?
And if the Quran is a Delusion why mentioning it?

Again. . you can't even understand the issue or the question, and instead reply with more irrelevant questions . .







. . .

According to your logic everything is God and if everything is God. Does a stone is God? Does a grain of sand? Does a stone has a will?(you know that one of the personal traits of God is his will right?) And if it doesn’t then what relevance or objectiveness does that give to the Quran? How does your logic give what is content in the Quran more sacred relevance than any other self help book if there is no supernatural info in it’s contents? And how does that logic of cause and effect solve the how does everything came up to be?
Let’s see.

Proven. . you don't even understand the issue and just interrupts with your fallacy . .







. . .

And if atheism and theism variants since both are basing on realism an idealism doesn’t that affect the effect? And if it doesn’t affect the effect why isn’t everyone agrees with everyone? Why don’t you agree with me? Does anything that comes from the self is equal? Does the continuum examination of the reality doesn’t count?

Again. . . you don't even understand what the article are saying and making wrong conclusion.

That article is differentiate that both atheist and theist are making conclusion on "egoic consciousness" (illusion) rather than . . "direct intuition" with nature, Oneness. .. .

Therefore, both atheist and theist are the same.







. . .

Okay, I don't know what you are trying to prove. . . .
but I got tired to continue, and fed up with this silly and irrelevant question. .
it is so obvious that you don't even understand "the topic and issue", the "argument", or what the article are saying. . .

Try one issue at a time or make clear the above , one at a time , maybe that is better for you . .

here is the Bookmark

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[Muslim Atheism]

That is your expertise. . avoiding burden of proof, blank denial and diverting real issue , fallacy . . . and make silly jokes. . . that's tell a lot!

[FatAndFaithless]

That is your expertise. . avoid burden of proof, blank denial and diverting real issue , fallacy . . . and make jokes. . . that's tell a lot!

It's not a fallacy to say "You are making absolutely zero sense and it's impossible to divine any sort of point to your ramblings", which is what that image was supposed to convey. Can't respond to something that doesn't make a lick of sense, dude.