Science vs Morality

[Mozart Link]

I am now going to admit something here which is that I despise my belief in pleasure being the greatest thing that defines a human being (as it makes other people who have less pleasure look inferior including me). I came to this forum because I wish others to hate on my belief as well and to try to convince me otherwise. Therefore, go ahead and address the argument I made regarding pleasure in my opening post and in my recent posts and try to convince me.

[Mister Agenda]

So even you know it's wrong, but you're unwilling to listen to yourself.

[Mozart Link]

So even you know it's wrong, but you're unwilling to listen to yourself.

I believe that my argument for pleasure is a scientific fact. But at the same time, I despise this belief and what others to hate on it and to convince me otherwise if possible.

[Mister Agenda]

Maybe the world sucks, but that doesn't mean we should make it worse with selfishness.

[Mudhammam]

So even you know it's wrong, but you're unwilling to listen to yourself.

I believe that my argument for pleasure is a scientific fact. But at the same time, I despise this belief and what others to hate on it and to convince me otherwise if possible.

I don't care what you believe.
If something is a scientific fact, then there are numerous peer reviewed research papers--and you should be able to cite some.
Otherwise to call your argument "scientific fact" is pure bullocks.

[Mister Agenda]

So even you know it's wrong, but you're unwilling to listen to yourself.

I believe that my argument for pleasure is a scientific fact. But at the same time, I despise this belief and what others to hate on it and to convince me otherwise if possible.

Bolding mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk

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Listen ML, I get that you've reached the conclusion that hedonistic cynicism is the one true incontrovertable position, but stop blaming it on science.

[ignoramus]

FACT1: "SCIENTIFIC Facts" are not open to opinions or interpretations.
FACT2: "The fact above is not acknowledged by religious people"

Your pleasure principle falls in this same category of bs.
We are all free to express any opinion we like, once we start claiming unfounded facts, we're drawing red bullseyes on our forehead. Everybody start reloading.

[Mozart Link]

FACT1: "SCIENTIFIC Facts" are not open to opinions or interpretations.
FACT2: "The fact above is not acknowledged by religious people"

Your pleasure principle falls in this same category of bs.
We are all free to express any opinion we like, once we start claiming unfounded facts, we're drawing red bullseyes on our forehead. Everybody start reloading.

Now before I present a believable argument that supports my views on pleasure, there is no actual scientific proof that how you perceive pleasure as not being the most important defining factor of a human being nor is there any for my perception of pleasure either. But the fact that I (unlike you or anyone else) have an explanation (that is scientifically and logically believable at this point) is what makes it far more believable since, again, you do not even have such an explanation like mine to even back up your disbeliefs in the first place. Though my explanation may not have scientific proof, the fact that it is believable for what it is now would make it illogical for anyone to have no amount of belief in it whatsoever. The only way for your disbelief to be logical is, again, if you have such an explanation like mine to actually refute my argument here.

So here is my explanation:

In terms of science as well as philosophy, no amount of intelligence or great things we do in life will ever make up for a lack of pleasure because in order to have such value towards these things is to have pleasure in the first place (as pleasure is what allows us to give emotional value towards these things). So it would be illogical to say that these things have value without pleasure or that they have greater value than pleasure. Now if you were to somehow have value towards something with no pleasure, then this value would be nothing as it is nothing more than a thought. Pleasure is what gives any notion of value life and without pleasure, it would be completely dead. Therefore, pleasure is the only thing that matters and any notion of value is just a thought and nothing more. It is the processes in our own brains that give these things life. Without such a process (which would be the process of experiencing pleasure in the brain), then they will have no life.

[ignoramus]

Not that I believe it but our man Jebus made the ultimate sacrifice by being crucified on the cross for us.
I doubt that this would have given him much pleasure. Was it for nothing?
(Don't answer that!). Bad argument.

[Mozart Link]

Not that I believe it but our man Jebus made the ultimate sacrifice by being crucified on the cross for us.
I doubt that this would have given him much pleasure. Was it for nothing?
(Don't answer that!). Bad argument.

Helping others would bring others pleasure. If it didn't bring them pleasure, then it would mean nothing to them. And if you didn't have pleasure, it would mean nothing to you. If both sides have no pleasure, then it would mean nothing at all.