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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:22 pm
(July 13, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 13, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I predict in another 4 years, just like the Olympics, some other sucker of a global city will waste money building crap when it could be used to improve real issues like poverty and pollution.
Hopefully Russia doesn't do so in the cities where chemical waste has reduced the life expectancy to the mid 40s.
(July 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: How do you figure?
NFL teams defunct starting in the early 1990s. These were the teams the NFL used to expand into new venues, but failed at gaining interest. The latter teams ended up draining the NFL of 30 million every year.
Birmingham Fire
Sacramento Surge
San Antonio Riders
New York/New Jersey Knights
Montreal Machine
Orlando Thunder
Raleigh–Durham Skyhawks
Ohio Glory
Amsterdam Admirals
Barcelona Dragons
Berlin Thunder
Cologne Centurions
Frankfurt Galaxy
Hamburg Sea Devils
London Monarchs
Rhein Fire
Scottish Claymores
NFL Europe. Yeah, completely different league. I have no idea what league the U.S. ones played in, but it wasn't NFL. OK, looked it up - WLAF.
You do realize that these things are different from NFL (without the qualifier), right?
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:25 pm
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:28 pm
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(July 13, 2014 at 6:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: (July 13, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Polaris Wrote: Hopefully Russia doesn't do so in the cities where chemical waste has reduced the life expectancy to the mid 40s.
NFL teams defunct starting in the early 1990s. These were the teams the NFL used to expand into new venues, but failed at gaining interest. The latter teams ended up draining the NFL of 30 million every year.
Birmingham Fire
Sacramento Surge
San Antonio Riders
New York/New Jersey Knights
Montreal Machine
Orlando Thunder
Raleigh–Durham Skyhawks
Ohio Glory
Amsterdam Admirals
Barcelona Dragons
Berlin Thunder
Cologne Centurions
Frankfurt Galaxy
Hamburg Sea Devils
London Monarchs
Rhein Fire
Scottish Claymores
NFL Europe. Yeah, completely different league. I have no idea what league the U.S. ones played in, but it wasn't NFL. OK, looked it up - WLAF.
You do realize that these things are different from NFL (without the qualifier), right?
They were actually the NFL, but just labeled differently to hit the markets where the usual NFL teams were not located and they didn't have to do some stupid restructuring like they did when they added expansion teams to the AFL/NFL lineup (Seahawks used to be in the same division as the Raiders for example). They failed miserably because those states cared more for high school and college football than the NFL, so they packed up and went abroad.....they ended up doing better overseas than in America (at least a few were just renamed, so technically more like 12 actual teams failed instead of the 18 I listed).
There were several non-affiliated professional American football leagues (and countless teams associated with those leagues) that ended up failing as well during the same time, but since they weren't part of the NFL, I did not include them.
In 20 years, NFL won't be as popular as MLS.
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:29 pm
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:39 pm
The only way mls passes nfl in popularity is if the nfl folds under the lawsuits. America just really doesn't care about soccer as a whole.
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:40 pm
(July 13, 2014 at 6:10 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 13, 2014 at 6:07 pm)Brian37 Wrote: I predict in another 4 years, just like the Olympics, some other sucker of a global city will waste money building crap when it could be used to improve real issues like poverty and pollution.
Hopefully Russia doesn't do so in the cities where chemical waste has reduced the life expectancy to the mid 40s.
(July 13, 2014 at 6:09 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: How do you figure?
NFL teams defunct starting in the early 1990s. These were the teams the NFL used to expand into new venues, but failed at gaining interest. The latter teams ended up draining the NFL of 30 million every year.
Birmingham Fire
Sacramento Surge
San Antonio Riders
New York/New Jersey Knights
Montreal Machine
Orlando Thunder
Raleigh–Durham Skyhawks
Ohio Glory
Amsterdam Admirals
Barcelona Dragons
Berlin Thunder
Cologne Centurions
Frankfurt Galaxy
Hamburg Sea Devils
London Monarchs
Rhein Fire
Scottish Claymores
That was not the NFL that was the NFL's farm league called NFL Europe. The players in that league wanted to end up in the American NFL. Safety and travel issues and lack of interest in Europe killed it.
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 6:51 pm
(July 13, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Polaris Wrote: They were actually the NFL, but just labeled differently to hit the markets where the usual NFL teams were not located and they didn't have to do some stupid restructuring like they did when they added expansion teams to the Aneup (Seahawks used to be in the same division as the Raiders for example). They failed miserably because those states cared more for high school and college football than the NFL, so they packed up and went abroad.....they ended up doing better overseas than in America (at least a few were just renamed, so technically more like 12 actual teams failed instead of the 18 I listed).
WLAF and and NFL Europe were backed by NFL. They're about the same as Ford and Mercury - they aren't. Different entities with the same parent.
WLAF failed because people in the US aren't particularly interested in paying pro prices to watch NFL castoffs over the best players at the college level. The U.S. teams weren't located in states where the market didn't exist for pro football - they were mostly in states that had existing NFL franchises (California, Texas, New York/Jersey, Florida and Ohio) as well as in a state (North Carolina) that added a successful franchise (Carolina Panthers) in the 90's.
None of those teams were ever IN the NFL, they were in a league backed by NFL. They went on to NFL Europe - again, backed by, but separate from NFL.
Had you said "American Football" you'd have been right.
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 7:02 pm
(July 13, 2014 at 6:28 pm)Polaris Wrote: (July 13, 2014 at 6:22 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: NFL Europe. Yeah, completely different league. I have no idea what league the U.S. ones played in, but it wasn't NFL. OK, looked it up - WLAF.
You do realize that these things are different from NFL (without the qualifier), right?
They were actually the NFL, but just labeled differently to hit the markets where the usual NFL teams were not located and they didn't have to do some stupid restructuring like they did when they added expansion teams to the AFL/NFL lineup (Seahawks used to be in the same division as the Raiders for example). They failed miserably because those states cared more for high school and college football than the NFL, so they packed up and went abroad.....they ended up doing better overseas than in America (at least a few were just renamed, so technically more like 12 actual teams failed instead of the 18 I listed).
There were several non-affiliated professional American football leagues (and countless teams associated with those leagues) that ended up failing as well during the same time, but since they weren't part of the NFL, I did not include them.
In 20 years, NFL won't be as popular as MLS.
Yes because it is a more complex game than soccer. Not talking likes or dislikes here. It still is a much harder game for outsiders to grasp because it is much more complex than the stopping and starting the rest of the world is not used to. It is a metaphor for war with the complex strategy of chess. Both take talent to play, but American football is deeper in strategy and positions and rules.
I agree, it would not shock me if the NFL waned or died out completely.
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 7:07 pm
American football is crap 
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RE: For football/soccer fans, predictions for the World Cup
July 13, 2014 at 7:13 pm
(July 13, 2014 at 7:07 pm)Losty Wrote: American football is crap
No.
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