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Poll: Should the U.S.A. actively pursue the removal of Putin?
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No, even if Putin misbehaves he should stay in power.
75.00%
9 75.00%
Yes, actively help Socialistic parties to remove him.
25.00%
3 25.00%
Yes, actively help the Communist Party in future elections
0%
0 0%
Yes, actively help the Nationalists in removing Putin.
0%
0 0%
Total 12 vote(s) 100%
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Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
#11
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm)KUSA Wrote: I'd rather have Putin than Obama.

You would. You're two of a kind.
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#12
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm)KUSA Wrote: I'd rather have Putin than Obama.

Why have you not moved to Russia?
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#13
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 23, 2014 at 8:17 pm)CristW Wrote: Hello, Should USA pursue a policy to actively remove Pres. Putin? and replace him with Socialists, Communists, or Nationalists? I think it is best we promote a policy which will help the Socialistic parties within Russia(there are 3 which are listed in the Duma) and to strengthen relations with Russia and work with Russia with our space program and global foreign policy objectives.

Whether you like him or not, Putin is a democratically elected President, his presidency has got nothing to do with the USA. By all means show your dislike for his foreign policies if you like but then that would be massively hypocritical given the USA's sordid history with their own foreign policy.

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#14
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 23, 2014 at 8:54 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Nice idea but we have a shitty track record on this sort of thing.

Spot on. Politics abhors a power vacuum. A strongman may not suit your fancy 100%, but they're almost always more palatable than the chaos created by their removal.

Boru
‘But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods or no gods. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.’ - Thomas Jefferson
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#15
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 24, 2014 at 1:34 am)Chuck Wrote:
(July 23, 2014 at 9:38 pm)KUSA Wrote: I'd rather have Putin than Obama.

Why have you not moved to Russia?

A wild guess but maybe because he's an American who would rather see his own country succeed?
He who loves God cannot endeavour that God should love him in return - Baruch Spinoza
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#16
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
At least Putin doesn't pander to muslims.
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#17
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
(July 24, 2014 at 7:07 am)KUSA Wrote: At least Putin doesn't pander to muslims.

Must be getting your news from Russian state controlled media again.
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#18
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
Obama does not pander to Muslims. Putin lack of pandering to Muslims has nothing to do with his policies. In fact, Putin sends military hardware and assistance to SYRIA !!! I predict that Putin would send any military hardware to Muslim fanatics in Iraq. I even know that Putin also will assist IRAN, in fact because he has history in doing so! The best alternative for future internal and external Russian policies are the Socialistic parties. As for not interfering in Russian affairs, it would be better not to but my position has changed concerning the Ukraine because of the lack of oversight he has over his zealots. The very zealots he created. I changed my position because he his not behaving as a STABLE strongman but rather a stringman. The previous designation could be observed by his actions. His actions and reactions tells me that he most likely will act irrationally if it comes to a point to preserve his political survival(most likely an opportunistic streak). A political psychologist is needed to review his actions. There is no initiative to send military action against Russia, the least expensive way to solve the Russian dilemma is to support political parties that is best for Russia and the U.S.! Americans could help the Socialistic parties. The previous would reduce(or even eliminate) any military assistance to Ukraine.

Let me add, Putin's actions is NOT the action of a strongman but rather a stringman(Defined as an opportunistic and irrational actor). A stringman would affect the economic interest of ...America! in the long run with future adventurism into the Middle East, Europe and Asia. A stringman which, at times, act with NATIONALISIC fervor just to make sure the Russian nationalists does not replace him. A stringman who at times also act as a strongman by killing and prisoning his own Russian citizens. I do not think Putin's popularity and hold on power will last too long. With that being said, it is best America starts to support the best political alternative rather than waiting for some Russian nationalist which would launch nuclear weapons at the U.S.!
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#19
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
No. Let the EU deal with something for a change. No matter what we do we piss someone off, so we are better off staying on this side of the Atlantic.
"How is it that a lame man does not annoy us while a lame mind does? Because a lame man recognizes that we are walking straight, while a lame mind says that it is we who are limping." - Pascal
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#20
RE: Should U.S.A. actively pursue in the removal of Putin?
CristW I don't think the nationalists will win, but I don't think communists while come back too, a lot of Russians still hate Stalin. But yeah I consider more likely for nationalists to win if give the right tools of propaganda.
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you

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