If atheists treated Christians like many Christians treat atheists...

[ComradeMeow]

You need to clarify what era of Christianity are talking about because if you are talking about early era Christianity us Atheist would be running around stringing children's heads on sticks. Then making weird chants and forcefully making Christians renounce their religion.

[orangebox21]

If we could simply ask him, the religious wouldn't be so divided.

How do you know that? You've presumed that if God were to answer the question of 'why such division's exist' that would necessitate there would be no divisions.

That's what Darkmatter is getting at. Jews, christians, and muslims all worship the same god, yet they can't come to a consensus on who is on the correct path.

Does it follow then that they worship the same God? Maybe the problem is that they aren't worshiping the same God and these divisions exist to clarify truth from falsity.

If my dad says something individually to my mother, my sister, and I, we might disagree with exactly what he said, but we can simply go back to him and straighten it out. We don't have to start beating each other up over what he said.

I agree.

We can't simply ask god for answers, otherwise we would have already gotten it. If he hasn't straightened things out by now he either doesn't exist, doesn't care, or is unable to do anything about it.

Seems like a false trichotomy there. This line of reasoning is akin to the argument against God because of the existence of evil. Most philosopher's have abandoned this line of reasoning because of the hidden premise in the argument: that the evil (or in our case divisions) is meaningless. You've assumed that there aren't any good reasons for these divisions.

I still maintain the original argument is fallacious. Divisions do not necessitate non-existence. There is the A-series and the B-series theories of time. Certainly, because there is division over the interpretation of time, you wouldn't conclude that time does not exist. Or science does not exist. Or scientists do not exist. You would most likely conclude 'we don't have all the answers yet,' and be satisfied.

[Zidneya]

Good video.

[Chad32]

Ok. What good reason can you think of for there being such a mess of things? Obviously there is a failure here, since the only time our society gets better is when we do it ourselves, and many of those times is when we look outside religion for answers. More often than not religion holds society back, instead of lifting it up.

I'm pretty sure the abrahamic religions do worship the same god. They just have disagreements on what they think their god wants because there's nothing really there to give definite answers. To clear up the mess made by human authors who have added and taken away through the centuries until it's impossible to follow the entire holy book, or to figure out what is meant literally, and what is meant metaphorically.

Like the Adam and Eve story. It's very hard to take literally, but if you don't take it literally then you have no origin of sin. You have nothing for Jesus' sacrifice to wash away, and no explanation for why we're born the way we are.

I believe I said before, this isn't proof he doesn't exist. It just leads me to believe that if he does exist, he's either uncaring or incompetent. Unless you can fathom a good reason for the followers of this god to kill each other over disagreements. You claim that maybe they aren't worshiping the same god, but it's obvious they're trying to. That's the intention.

What is the wisdom in letting your children shed blood over different interpretations of your commandments? Especially since you intend to dump everyone into a lake of fire if they get it wrong.

[Darkstar]

Oh, I was expecting this: