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Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm
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Suppose the traditional blood sucking vampire who can create new vampires exists. It has superhuman strength and is immortal. It can only be killed by beheading, fire, a wooden steak through the heart or sunlight. It is allergic to holy water, crosses, and garlic. It can't enter a home unless invited.
1) So how long do you think it would take humans to kill off all vampires, presuming everyone got the memo and believed in them?
Wooden bullet machine guns, curfews, holy water pump guns, garlic curtains, and flame throwers are all on the table. And anything else you might plausibly invent.
2) Would the effectiveness of holy water and crosses make you rethink the god question? I'm thinking I might really consider it.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm
I saw a shlocky movie once where they snagged vampires with a meat hook attached to a cable and winch, and pulled them outside into the sunlight.
Inventive, but funny too.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 24, 2014 at 12:02 am
(October 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I saw a shlocky movie once where they snagged vampires with a meat hook attached to a cable and winch, and pulled them outside into the sunlight.
Inventive, but funny too.
Simpler to just burn the house down. Fire plus sunlight.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 24, 2014 at 2:21 am
(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Suppose the traditional blood sucking vampire who can create new vampires exists. It has superhuman strength and is immortal. It can only be killed by beheading, fire, a wooden steak through the heart or sunlight. It is allergic to holy water, crosses, and garlic. It can't enter a home unless invited.
1) So how long do you think it would take humans to kill off all vampires, presuming everyone got the memo and believed in them?
Wooden bullet machine guns, curfews, holy water pump guns, garlic curtains, and flame throwers are all on the table. And anything else you might plausibly invent.
2) Would the effectiveness of holy water and crosses make you rethink the god question? I'm thinking I might really consider it.
given the human response to predators? We would be more unified then ever and probably do it inside the week.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 24, 2014 at 5:09 am
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Really, I prefer the "unclean spirit" slavic Vampir... a lot more interesting than the christianity-heavy iteration vampires. Still, plenty interesting, to a point... Mircalla, Dracula, Alucard... there are some damn fine vampires out there.
I only hope that I can do it justice... not every day you see a half-Jinn Vampir bound to a blade, and later fused with a living human that's currently 'dating' a Sidhe of the Unseelie court. 
Yeah, I got this 
(October 24, 2014 at 2:21 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: given the human response to predators? We would be more unified then ever and probably do it inside the week.
Shiki would suggest otherwise. We become paranoid... we rip our bonds apart in fear... we desperately fight to kill the monsters...
But we are, ourselves... the monsters.
(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: 2) Would the effectiveness of holy water and crosses make you rethink the god question? I'm thinking I might really consider it.
It is faith they fear, not the object of the faith. This is why they undermine confidence wherever and whenever it is visited upon them, adopting a derisive and mocking stance in every argument: their dominance must be absolute, else it be irresolute.
If you do not fear, for your faith is absolute, then no vampire can hurt you. Symbols of faith are dangerous only insofar as they show the possibility of faith in what should be their prey... if they do not fear your faith, it is because your faith is inconsequential. Leave your doubts behind you, or perish with them, mortal.
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Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 24, 2014 at 9:26 am
That's kinda what I was thinking. To have a plot with vampires, people have to be ridiculously secretive about them. Otherwise, given their vulnerabilities, there wouldn't be vampires long.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 24, 2014 at 10:10 am
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(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Suppose the traditional blood sucking vampire who can create new vampires exists. It has superhuman strength and is immortal. It can only be killed by beheading, fire, a wooden steak through the heart or sunlight. It is allergic to holy water, crosses, and garlic. It can't enter a home unless invited.
Wooden steak? I know, I'm nitpicking.
(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: 1) So how long do you think it would take humans to kill off all vampires, presuming everyone got the memo and believed in them?
Hmm. In the scenario you supply, the only way they can be detected is their allergies and inability to enter homes without invitation. The government could certainly systematically sort out the vamps with the sunlight test during the day and the garlic test at night. If, in addition, they don't reflect in mirrors, it would be easy to devise an optical device that shows who doesn't have a reflection. I'm thinking it would be easy to separate the humans from the vamps with a little due diligence, though there would certainly be failures due to human error or vampire trickiness.
(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: Wooden bullet machine guns, curfews, holy water pump guns, garlic curtains, and flame throwers are all on the table. And anything else you might plausibly invent.
A lot depends on details. If they have to feed every night, they'll have to risk the flamethrowers a lot more often than if they have to feed weekly. Can they survive on bagged blood or do they have to drink from the source? Can they live off of animals? How often can they transform someone into a new vampire?
I think they would be very hard to root out if they can wait a week between feedings yet create a new vampire every night. One vamp could become sixty in a week, while concentrating on avoiding destruction. Half of them could be killed a the end of each week, and there would still be around a thousand after two weeks. It's hard to fight an enemy who can so easily turn your own soldiers and gear against you. If they have powers of mental domination, it would be even worse.
(October 23, 2014 at 11:53 pm)Jenny A Wrote: 2) Would the effectiveness of holy water and crosses make you rethink the god question? I'm thinking I might really consider it. [/quote]
The uncanny powers and weaknesses of the vampire would be evidence of the supernatural, particularly if only the icons of a particular religion worked on them, even if the vampire was a different religion before they were turned. I would have to have a good think about the implications of that.
(October 24, 2014 at 12:02 am)Jenny A Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 11:57 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: I saw a shlocky movie once where they snagged vampires with a meat hook attached to a cable and winch, and pulled them outside into the sunlight.
Inventive, but funny too.
Simpler to just burn the house down. Fire plus sunlight.
It was John Carpenter's Vampires; based on the book Vampire$. The protagonists were vampire hunters for pay; and looted their lairs, so there was actually a good reason not to burn their houses down.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 25, 2014 at 12:17 am
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Are these the nosferatu or the Edward who sparkles in the sun light vampires?
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 25, 2014 at 12:19 am
(October 25, 2014 at 12:17 am)Drich Wrote: Are these the nosferatu or the Edward who sparkles in the sun light vampires?
Edward is bad dream, just not a scary one.
Traditional vampires, thus the sunlight problem.
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RE: Another What If Thread: Vampires
October 25, 2014 at 12:20 am
Even the sparkley vamper's were some what traditional.. Is there vamp/blood supplement avaiable or can they drink animal blood or only human?
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