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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: The important difference being that Einstein didn't decide to educate himself in order to argue from authority against an established scientific theory that he'd made up his mind on before studying the evidence, as a result of religious dogma. It's a distinction you seem to have missed, but the, missing the point seems to be all you do around here.
Einstein presupposed an eternal universe...and his own equations proved that presupposition wrong 
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: "Shermer has done X bad thing, therefore his arguments are invalid" is an example of the genetic fallacy.
Dude, I didn't say anything about what Shermer "did"...what the hell are you talking about?
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If that's what you were going for, you've hit upon yet another fallacy.
How the hell is me asking you are you a fan of Shermer committing the genetic fallacy? That is ALL I asked. WTF?
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: If it's not, what is the point of asking me if I'm a fan of Shermer?
Because he an atheist and advocate of evolution on a popular level...that is why...nothing more, nothing less.
Although he has a knack for getting his ass handed to him in debates...like this one...short, but sweet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNMw35abIIo
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: But I wouldn't be objecting on the basis of kinds. I would be objecting on the basis of species, like a normal person. Are kinds just the same as species?
I understand that the word "species" is a shaky term in biology...who gets to determine what is and what isn't a species? The same individuals that believe in the theory, that's who.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Are kinds just the same as species? If not, then if you asked for a dog and the guy brought out a wolf, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference, right?
I believe a wolf is of the "dog" kind.
Dog kind: wolf, dingo, domestic dog, coyote, jackal, wild dogs
Cat kind: lion, tiger, domestic cat, cheetah, leopard
Bear kind: grizzly, brown, polar, kiola, panda
Seems pretty simple to me.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: I mean, you just said earlier that wolves were a part of the dog kind, so how would you be able to complain at being given a wolf?
That would depend on whether or not I want that specific kind of dog. I may not want a wolf, I may want a doberman pinscher.
(November 18, 2014 at 3:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: So how are you making these determinations at all?
How are you? You are the one that think that dinosaurs-reptiles involved in to birds...how do you make that determination?? You've never seen any kind of change like that in your life, yet you think that long ago when you wasn't around, that it happened? If that isn't faith, I don't know what is.
All I see is animals producing their kind...I don't know why some animals within the kind can't produce, but they are clearly the same kind of animal..and I don't see how that so difficult to believe, but reptile to birds is so highly accepted as truth.
It blows my mind.
If you can't see that a malamute, husky, and wolf are the same kind of animal, then there is nothing more I can do to help.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm
(November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: If you can't see that a malamute, husky, and wolf are the same kind of animal, then there is nothing more I can do to help.
Define the criteria for a "kind".
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:18 pm
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(November 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 3:43 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: Ok, so since God is omnipresent, his presence has no limits, therefore, his presence is infinite. I agree....point?
You are talking out of both sides of your mouth. You earlier said you hadn't claimed that god is infinite ... because so doing would have put your point at that time in jeopardy.
I then pointed out that you had indeed said as much.
Context, people. I had already distinguished the difference between infinity/God in a qualitative sense and infinity/God in a quantitative sense. The kind of infinity that I've argued AGAINST was a quantitative sense, since we were discussing time/events in terms of amounts and duration.
I had acknowledged that sometimes people call God "infinite", but that is in a qualitative sense as a whole. I don't like to use the term for the very same reason that we are engaging in this discussion..because it leads to misunderstandings and confusion.
If you hadn't noticed, I tried to avoid it, but you just keep yapping about it and so here we are.
(November 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: And the point of this is to lay clear to folks your dissimulation; how you will say whatever is convenient for your point at the time you say it. You would deign to tell everyone here about the nature of your god ... yet you don't even agree with yourself about that very nature.
Um, I've already identified my God with the four omni's...and along with immateriality and also identified in person as Jesus Christ. Don't know what more you want.
(November 18, 2014 at 4:20 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: In case it's still escaping your magisterial intellect and fearsome mind: you're a dishonest person.
Don't need to be dishonest when I am talking the truth. "I always tell the truth, even when I lie".
(November 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: If you can't see that a malamute, husky, and wolf are the same kind of animal, then there is nothing more I can do to help.
Define the criteria for a "kind".
Looks.
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:22 pm
Maj, since you don't accept that dinosaurs "involved" into birds, how do you account for the fact that chickens have inactive genes for teeth?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm
(November 18, 2014 at 10:22 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Maj, since you don't accept that dinosaurs "involved" into birds, how do you account for the fact that chickens have inactive genes for teeth?
A conspiracy by scientists to justify their pushing a non scientific THEORY like evolution on an unsuspecting and innocent Christian world to undermine the teachings of god.
Evil scientists!
Evil!
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 18, 2014 at 10:36 pm
Well, there's that of course.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 10:21 am
(November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I believe a wolf is of the "dog" kind.
Dog kind: wolf, dingo, domestic dog, coyote, jackal, wild dogs
Cat kind: lion, tiger, domestic cat, cheetah, leopard
Bear kind: grizzly, brown, polar, kiola, panda
What 'kind' is a red panda?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 10:25 am
(November 18, 2014 at 10:18 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 10:13 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Define the criteria for a "kind".
Looks.
Well..isn't that delightfully unscientific and unspecific.
Do you mean..morphology? Because that's more than just "how it looks".
And where is the standard for 'looks'? Is there a codified standard that everyone can access and use, or are you just making judgement calls based on your opinions of how various animals look?
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 10:29 am
(This post was last modified: November 19, 2014 at 11:18 am by Anomalocaris.)
(November 19, 2014 at 10:21 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I believe a wolf is of the "dog" kind.
Dog kind: wolf, dingo, domestic dog, coyote, jackal, wild dogs
Cat kind: lion, tiger, domestic cat, cheetah, leopard
Bear kind: grizzly, brown, polar, kiola, panda
What 'kind' is a red panda?
How about whales? Fish kind?
Bats? Bird kind?
Jesus? Scraggly criminally insane maglomaniacal kind?
His majesty? Total-incorrigible-idiot-and-ignoramus-who-can't-come-to-terms -with -the -fact-that-his-idiocy-and-ignorance-do-not-make-him-wise kind?
Have you noticed each creationist think he as an uniquely effective argument for why his kind particularly of stupidity is actually overwhelmingly clever, and yet every last one of them is of exactly the same degree of worthlessness?
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RE: Atheism is unreasonable
November 19, 2014 at 10:31 am
(November 19, 2014 at 10:21 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: (November 18, 2014 at 10:06 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I believe a wolf is of the "dog" kind.
Dog kind: wolf, dingo, domestic dog, coyote, jackal, wild dogs
Cat kind: lion, tiger, domestic cat, cheetah, leopard
Bear kind: grizzly, brown, polar, kiola, panda
What 'kind' is a red panda?
'Kind' is such a stupid term for simpletons.
why did OP try to say the world species is shaky its not
its the correct term.
understanding species vs kinds video
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